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In Reply to: I See Civillity Is Wasted With You posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 11, 2007 at 10:35:24:
There was nothing uncivil in my post.Quoting advertising blurb is NOT a contribution to a technical debate.
Your quote from Romania is fine, but, as I stated in my first response brings nothing to the debate.
It is VERY WELL KNOWN that Cryo has a real and understood effect on metals. No contest.
You are quoting sources to "prove" that point. Again. It is unecessary!
But accepting that Cryo has an effect on the MECHANICAL properties of metals etc DOES NOT automatically mean that it makes transistors SOUND better.
Follow Ups:
Clifff,First let's start with your proclomation that you don't even read my posts but that's a whole different issue. Here's the problem as I see it ok? I think you'll agree I responded very civilly to you in my first response, no?
Now let's look at how you responded back, shall we? Well you insinuated that I was once again making a leap of faith between "improving life of missile pcbs" and things sounding better. You did that despite the fact that I stated specifically:
1) I do not know for sure
2) I'm still undecided myself, but I am leaning towards believing it does affect wires, circuit boards, tubes, transistors, inductors etc.
3) Thus the question is really not does cryoing affect these components, but rather is the affect a postive one that leads to a more realistic replication of live music? That still remains a question everyone has to answer for themselves.As I stated before Clifff ALL 3 of those comments are a far cry from taking a leap of faith that things WILL sound better like you suggested I did. Yet you made that sarcastic remark anyway.
Then after you suggested I said something I didn't, you got even more sarcastic and said "I can believe the better reliability: reducing stresses in metal layers and glass substrates could well reduce the susceptiblity to vibration in flight. For a few minutes, at least :-) Granted you added a little smiley face so you can act like my old buddy used to before The Bored intervened and claim you were needling or joking with me, but you and I aren't friends. ONLY my friends get to needle and joke with me, so your little sarcastic remark wasn't appreciated or being civil.
Even now as I can see you're continuing in that same arrogant vein by stating yet once again "But accepting that Cryo has an effect on the MECHANICAL properties of metals etc DOES NOT automatically mean that it makes transistors SOUND better." when you know full well that's NOT what I believe as I've quite clearly stated 3X now. So as you wish to continue insinuating I believe things I state openly I don't in order to make yourself appear correct in your actions, PLEASE do me a favor and stop. I tried being civil with you but it's crystal clear that it's YOU who cannot understand the difference! Like I said previously you should drastically increase your reading comprehension, BEFORE responding to anyone else.
Thetubeguy1954
"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
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But then of course, you didn't read my post, did you?
Because apparently you agree with what he said.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
Pat,Just in case you don't know SARCASTIC means marked by bitterness and a power or will to cut or sting. SARCASTIC implies an intentional inflicting of pain by deriding, taunting, or ridiculing.
I believe Clifff was intentionally taunting, or ridiculing me. To make the insinuation: I was once again making a leap of faith between "improving life of missile pcbs" and things sounding better. After and in spite of the fact that I stated specifically:
1) I do not know for sure.
2) I'm still undecided myself, but I am leaning towards believing it does affect wires, circuit boards, tubes, transistors, inductors etc.
3) Thus the question is really not does cryoing affect these components, but rather is the affect a postive one that leads to a more realistic replication of live music? That still remains a question everyone has to answer for themselves.As ALL 3 of those comments are a far cry from Clifff's suggestion that I was taking a leap of faith that things WILL sound better, Cliff was definitely being sarcastic when he made that remark.
Now to address the comment you made that "...saying something (I) agree with is sarcastic?" It certainly can be "IF" it's done in a way that's meant to be inflicting of pain by deriding, taunting, or ridiculing or if it's marked by bitterness and a power or will to cut or sting. Just like you're attempting to do with this post. I don't want to argue with anyone here. But a few of you seem intent on provoking those types of responses. Pat why not do us both a favor and just ignore my posts? I know I'll be a lot happier if you do.
Thetubeguy1954
"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
"This is a direct cut and paste from their web-site SELLING Cryo!Once again a leap of faith is being made between "improving life of missle pcbs" and things sounding better:"
This, to me, is obviously a reference to the passage quoted. THEY were making a leap of faith.
The phrase "a leap of faith IS BEING MADE" does not apply to anything you said, only what you quoted.
Clifff,If that's what you meant I owe you an apology. It read to me like you were stating I was the one making the "leap of faith". So as my subject heading an here within the post, I Apologize Clifff.
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