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• Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? - thetubeguy1954 09:43:34 04/11/07 (6)
  In Reply to: Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations posted by Richard BassNut Greene on April 11, 2007 at 07:31:38:

  Richard,

  Even though I usually disagree with your POV I find your arguements are rational and usually well thought out. It's a shame to see you resort to saying things you make up as if they're facts when doing so in an effort to make you appear correct in your beliefs.

  For Example: What extensive scientific testing have you done that substantiates your theory of: Golden Ears usually compare two components playing at different volumes and then declare they sound different?

  Just because you may have witnessed this happening on the odd occassion doesn't make it the thing that's usually done. In fact your stating this is no different than my claiming objectivists usually just make up stories as needed to support their POV and then declare these stories provide proof they're correct.

  Thetubeguy1954

  "If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
  
  

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  • What has this to do with the price of eggs in China? (nt) - Pat D 12:14:41 04/11/07 (0)
    In Reply to: Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 11, 2007 at 09:43:34:

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    ------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
    
    

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  • Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:54:24 04/11/07 (4)
    In Reply to: Why Hold Our Breath When You Just Make Unsubstantiated Claims? posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 11, 2007 at 09:43:34:

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    • Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. - thetubeguy1954 13:40:18 04/11/07 (2)
      In Reply to: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt posted by clarkjohnsen on April 11, 2007 at 11:54:24:

      And the best the Objectivists can do, as witnessed by Pat D's response it simply repeat what we say and substitute the word Subjectivist for Objectivist! Talk about the strengths of ones own convictions?

      Thetubeguy1954

      "If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
      
      
      

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      • It works both ways, tubey. (nt) - Pat D 18:51:47 04/11/07 (0)
        In Reply to: Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 11, 2007 at 13:40:18:

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      • I sit corrected. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:48:55 04/11/07 (0)
        In Reply to: Re: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making Unsubstantiated assertions. posted by thetubeguy1954 on April 11, 2007 at 13:40:18:

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    • Interesting, how "subjectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. (nt) - Pat D 12:02:29 04/11/07 (0)
      In Reply to: Interesting, how "objectivism" so often comes down to simply making assertions. nt posted by clarkjohnsen on April 11, 2007 at 11:54:24:

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      "Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
      ------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
      
      

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• Your gross assumption again. - cheap-Jack 09:15:26 04/11/07 (2)
  In Reply to: Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations posted by Richard BassNut Greene on April 11, 2007 at 07:31:38:

  Hi.

  I am talking for my pair of rusted ears. Like many "golden ears", I compare at same volume, which I often test with a digital SPL meter.

  I went through this tedeous experience of home freezer freezing of my tubes & ICs in a 2-day freeze (minus 25-30C) followed by 2-day warm-up process with a thermometer monitoring the tempertures.

  As you said I would be "fooled by expectations" to tell myself & the world I heard some nite & day improvement.

  No, as I already reported, the sonic difference, if any, was pretty subtle given my system is already pretty revealing.

  Frankly, I am not expecting miracles. I tried this process out, repeatedly, just to find out: can this domestic so called deep-freeze be effective to improve sound at all by stealing the concept of cryogenics (minus 180C).

  One can lie to the world, but should never lie to ownself. I won't.

  c-J

  
  
  

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  • You would be a rare audiophile to use a sound meter to match A-B volumes - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:21 04/12/07 (1)
    In Reply to: Your gross assumption again. posted by cheap-Jack on April 11, 2007 at 09:15:26:

    What test signals do you use?

    Of course even with accurate A-B volume matching, and audiophile could still imagine hearing differences.
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    Richard BassNut Greene
    Subjective Audiophile 2007
    
    

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    • Wideband white noise & pink noise. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:53:05 04/12/07 (0)
      In Reply to: You would be a rare audiophile to use a sound meter to match A-B volumes posted by Richard BassNut Greene on April 12, 2007 at 08:10:21:

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• Gee thanks, Richard! I was turning blue . . . (nt) - Pat D 08:55:21 04/11/07 (0)
  In Reply to: Don't hold your breath. And don't expect any Golden Ears to admit that their ears could be fooled by expectations posted by Richard BassNut Greene on April 11, 2007 at 07:31:38:

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  "Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
  ------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
  
  

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