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In Reply to: Who here DOESN'T believe in The Freeze Effect? (Freezing items will improve sound?) posted by Posy Rorer on April 10, 2007 at 11:00:17:
I think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve the sound. But the times I tried just putting items in the freezer didn't yield such result to a noticeable degree. This includes CDs and tubes.
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Todd:"I think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve the sound."
or conversely,
"I DO NOT think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve the sound."
The whole purpose of PHP is to make either of these two statements and then attempt to back them up with a scientific of technical explanation. That's what all the fuss is about.
Of course we're all free to think what we want (based on whatever experiences we have had) or simply *believe* what we want. But if someone is going to talk about technology in a technological forum, they must certainly understand why they are being asked to provide more evidence than just "I believe it to be so" or "That's what I heard...."
How do we learn of the actual mechanism by which things work if we stop at, "Okay, I think I heard a difference - let's cap off our level of understanding right there..."
It's not bad science. It's non-science!
Oh yeah, I used to use quitar strings that were cryo'd. I liked the sound of those particular strings, but cannot say for sure whether or not it was the cryo process that gave them the sound I liked . But I was using cryo'd strings for the longest time. Dean Markley Cold Steel they were called. Very bright and distinctive tone. Really sweet with the right pickups.
"The whole purpose of PHP is to make either of these two statements and then attempt to back them up with a scientific of technical explanation. That's what all the fuss is about."Does a rule here explicitly state this? If there is such a rule, the original poster could be cited for inducing violation of the rule. I'd then respond by stating "Can you please ask the question on another board? Stating opinion without backing it up with scientific proof is prohibited here."
Note I also stated this in the context of "I think"..... It's an opinion. And I'll state that opinion again and again. (Unless a rule here expressly restricts non-scientifically-backed opinion.) If I think an otherwise harmless tweak works, I'll state that opinion. And any disagreement is accepted.
The one forking the money for any tweak product only needs proof for himself, not anybody else.
Just like I'd never fork over money for tweaks I think don't work. And people are welcome to disagree with that opinion too.
Todd:C'mon. Every forum has it's own culture, and this forum is no exception.
This forum is here so that those who are inclined can engage in "Technical and scientific discussion of amps, cables and other topics."
There are other forums for those that wish to only use ankedotal evidence, heresay, and uncontrolled and biased listening tests in an attempt to substantiate theory.
I think that is why the general concensus here is that Posy's posts are purposely "against the grain" of the culture here, and are causing more adversity than they are worth.
Cheers,
Presto
I view Posy's post no differently from posts glorifying Bose on other boards. But then again, if one is stuck-up over the technical frivolity (demanding proof of others' subjective findings, in this case), just like those who are obsessed with how awful Bose is, they take such posts in a totally different way.Of course the post was there primarily to push your hot buttons. But from those with the attitude of loosening those who are "stuck-up", these posts will occur. If people weren't so serious over the frivolity, they'd react with a smile, not beet-crimson rage.
Or in other words, when people wear hot buttons on their sleeve, those buttons are bound to be pushed from time to time.
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