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In Reply to: Who here DOESN'T believe in The Freeze Effect? (Freezing items will improve sound?) posted by Posy Rorer on April 10, 2007 at 11:00:17:
I do not believe cryoing CDs will result in an audible change in performance. I do not believe freezing audio equipment will help it, although that is a new one for me. Why? Because I am not aware of any credible evidence that that these things change the performance. Uncontrolled sighted auditions are not reliable evidence for the audibility of small differences.However, as the null hypothesis cannot be proven, all I can say is that I have seen no credible evidence that these things result in audible differences.
Credible evidence would be that people can prove they can hear the differences in controlled double blind tests, or alternatively, that measured results show sonic differences above known just noticeable differences, or both.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
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Golden Ears usually compare two components playing at different volumes and then declare they sound different.What a surprise!
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Richard BassNut Greene
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Richard,Even though I usually disagree with your POV I find your arguements are rational and usually well thought out. It's a shame to see you resort to saying things you make up as if they're facts when doing so in an effort to make you appear correct in your beliefs.
For Example: What extensive scientific testing have you done that substantiates your theory of: Golden Ears usually compare two components playing at different volumes and then declare they sound different?
Just because you may have witnessed this happening on the odd occassion doesn't make it the thing that's usually done. In fact your stating this is no different than my claiming objectivists usually just make up stories as needed to support their POV and then declare these stories provide proof they're correct.
Thetubeguy1954
"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
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And the best the Objectivists can do, as witnessed by Pat D's response it simply repeat what we say and substitute the word Subjectivist for Objectivist! Talk about the strengths of ones own convictions?Thetubeguy1954
"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
Hi.I am talking for my pair of rusted ears. Like many "golden ears", I compare at same volume, which I often test with a digital SPL meter.
I went through this tedeous experience of home freezer freezing of my tubes & ICs in a 2-day freeze (minus 25-30C) followed by 2-day warm-up process with a thermometer monitoring the tempertures.
As you said I would be "fooled by expectations" to tell myself & the world I heard some nite & day improvement.
No, as I already reported, the sonic difference, if any, was pretty subtle given my system is already pretty revealing.
Frankly, I am not expecting miracles. I tried this process out, repeatedly, just to find out: can this domestic so called deep-freeze be effective to improve sound at all by stealing the concept of cryogenics (minus 180C).
One can lie to the world, but should never lie to ownself. I won't.
c-J
What test signals do you use?Of course even with accurate A-B volume matching, and audiophile could still imagine hearing differences.
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Richard BassNut Greene
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"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony."
------Heraclitus of Ephesis (fl. 504-500 BC), trans. Wheelwright.
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