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In Reply to: "Too much tweak/subjectivist talk chases the engineers away." Hey! posted by clarkjohnsen on April 10, 2007 at 10:46:09:
I submit that you are not a working engineer anymore; you are a reviewer that makes your living off the more subjectivist part of your being. I would suspect that would throw you more over to the less rigorous, but perhaps, more holistic, modes of thinking. Then again, I could be wrong about that. Wouldn't be the first time. Won't be the last.....A number? Hmm...somwhere between "here" and "there". You wouldn't want me to rigidly quantify that now would you?
I would say it would not be quantitative but qualitative. Does the post have anything to do with engineering, or creating, a piece of audio gear or software? Of course there are, and always will be, gray areas (or rainbow colors if you prefer). I would think that IC cables and how they relate to the gear under question would be a good topic for this forum. Then again I would say that LED's on the wall as a sound enhancement belongs in another forum. Cryoing gear belongs, as long as both the plusses and minuses can be discussed. Tweaks designed to enhance the human don't belong here, however worthy they might be. AA has TONS of forums for that.
Again, all my talking is moot if all the working audio engineers have already left this forum. In which case...as you were......It was the Impulse of the Night that made me post in the first place.
Give Me Ambiguity or Give Me Something Else!
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Behold: That's a statement made by an "objectivist". After carefully researching the situation and consulting all sources, he comes up with -- a fantastical conjecture. And a wrong one too, by the way. Anyway, if you want to know what I really do think about reviewers, see my referenced column."I submit that you are not a working engineer anymore." You know what they say: Once an engineer, always an engineer. Matter of fact, I'm working on some engineering inventions in the film and video realm, as well as something altogether new in the computer realm.
"A number? Hmm...somwhere between "here" and "there". You wouldn't want me to rigidly quantify that now would you?" I would expect nothing less from a fervent objectivist. So: Cough it up!
"Then again I would say that LED's on the wall as a sound enhancement belongs in another forum." Oh you would, would you? Go right ahead, be my guest; but please give *some* justification, eh?
"Again, all my talking is moot if all the working audio engineers have already left this forum." Newsflash: Almost the only ones ever here are/were high-end types, who largely disagree with AES-type orthodoxy. And I say that, as a "Lifetime Member" of that staid body.
clark
I am not a fervent objectivist, I have feet in both worlds.The operative phrase is "too much" talk of tweaks and so on...too much is, of course, a nebulous value becuase I dont know the exact amount it takes. As in I don't know the exact amount of straw that will break the donkey's back, but do know that too much will do it.
Cool, can you talk of your projects or are they NDA'd?
I read your link; you sure are hard on the desingers...does that include Curl? Lamm? Pass? Hansen? Yourself?
I know the previous engineering posters were high end engineers/designers since this is an audiophile website, but....where are those working engineers now?
LED's on the wall would come, imho, under the rubic of Tweak, as that is not an element that, say , an amp designer could include in his product. The LED's can be well and truly discussed on the many other forums on AA devoted to such things, and I might be convinced to try it based on good postings.
Actually, I can prove that good interior decorating can vastly improve the emotional sound of your system.
Give Me Ambiguity or Give Me Something Else!
> I am not a fervent objectivist, I have feet in both worlds.But are they firmly on the ground?...
> The operative phrase is "too much" talk of tweaks and so on...too much is, of course, a nebulous value becuase I dont know the exact amount it takes. As in I don't know the exact amount of straw that will break the donkey's back, but do know that too much will do it.
You might try... not reading it...
> Cool, can you talk of your projects or are they NDA'd?
Partly. I have some open source info. If you're intrigued, by all means write me. clarkjohnsen at gmail.com
> I read your link; you sure are hard on the desingers...does that include Curl? Lamm? Pass? Hansen? Yourself?
We know who we are...
> I know the previous engineering posters were high end engineers/designers since this is an audiophile website, but....where are those working engineers now?
Uh... working?...
> LED's on the wall would come, imho, under the rubic of Tweak, as that is not an element that, say , an amp designer could include in his product.
Funny guy! Guess you're not acquainted with Edge...
Besides, how could LEDs on a wall be part of an amp anyway?
> The LED's can be well and truly discussed on the many other forums on AA devoted to such things,
Such as...? (Name three of the "many".)
> and I might be convinced to try it based on good postings.
Or, let's face it, more likely, not.
> Actually, I can prove that good interior decorating can vastly improve the emotional sound of your system.
For myself it's all in the lighting.
> Give Me Ambiguity or Give Me Something Else!
I dunno...
> > Tweaks designed to enhance the human don't belong here, however worthy they might be. < <No, audio accessory products designed to enhance human perception belong here even more than other subjects do, so long as their validity is still in dispute. Because they are on the vanguard of audio science, and it falls under the "scientic -- other topics" section of this forum, and they will only come to be understood and a force for progress and advancement of the audio industry, by discussion of their principles. In scientific terms, they are the most significant thing to happen to audio... and beyond.
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