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In Reply to: A good summary posted by clifff on March 13, 2007 at 10:42:09:
You are believing a lie if you accept things as they were made to appear. I'm surprised and disappointed too that you are willing to let a bald-faced lie slide past you so easily. One of life's mysteries I guess.
Follow Ups:
And I'll give you that it was, since there is no real evidence either way, just opinions (put me right on that one),Anyway, by that time the body was already a corpse and long beyond redemption.
It must be very difficult for your ego to accept that you blew $1M through intransigence. So now (ie since it happened) you claim your were cheated, lied to, etc.
Do you think you are blameless? Do you thing your behavour was OK?
Next question:Assuming Kramer lied in the instance noted, do you think that kind of character would have manifested previously in our dealings?
Hint:
It did.
Next question:
What does this say about the negotiation process?
It must be very difficult for your ego to accept that you blew $1M through intransigence. So now (ie since it happened) you claim your were cheated, lied to, etc.
My allegations are not new Cliff. If you check the JREF record you will see where I point out, or hint at, misdeeds on the part of Kramer quite early in the negotiations. Bear in mind that I showed restraint in this area because I was, in fact, trying to negotiate fair conditions in which to be tested. If you would look at the record you will see where I had little concern of the protocol itself and great concern over fair conditions, closely approximating my typical listening sessions as much as reasonably attainable. Do you think Kramer's call for me to have my back to the system fair or reasonable? Do you consider wearing a blind fold for the greater part of 5 hours per test (not iteration) reasonable? Even the deceived folks over at the JREF Forums were starting to become ill over his pronouncements.
Getting back to lies, and we've discussed only one so far, what is the intent of a lie? Is it not to deceive? Why would Kramer choose to deceive those following the proceedings?
Regarding my behavior, like everyone in a heated situation, I said things I'd preferred to have stated differently in hindsight. Let me tell you, manipulating connivers have a distinct effect on a person.
...but that FACT is not terribly germane to our discussion on the level we are at this moment.Let's personalize the question we're currently working on a bit and see if that helps matters along any.
Why would Kramer attempt to deceive Clifff, Ken Perkins, and AJinFLA, among others? I realize that we can only speculate.
...turn the system around and face the speakers to the corners. Good grief!
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