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In Reply to: Re: Chip Amp Voicing Is Definitely Dominated By POLLYinFLA's Disastrous Decision! posted by tomservo on March 6, 2007 at 14:50:53:
Hello Tom,I remember well hearing Nicks setup of Lambda Acoustics version of your Unity horns. It was back when CFAS had our meeting at the local public TV station. They used to allow us to setup in one of their huge rooms which was about the size of a high schools indoor basketball court. Nick setup a monster version of the speaker with two 15" woofers below the Unity Horn and two 15" woofers above the Unity horn too! It things like that that cause me to get such a kick out of that old bird brained POLLYinFLA, constantly disparaging my choices in audio components. He believe's if I'm just shown the "right" setup I'll change my ways! He doesn't seem to believe I've been exposed to things like your Unity Horn when licensed to Lambda or Nelson Pass's First Watt amp just as it was being shown to the general public etc. I guess it's easier for him to believe I make this all up, rather than accept the fact that someone could have listened to most of what's available and still prefer an SET amp.
Tomservo said: Anyway, if you guys wanted to stop by, I would happy to give you the nickel tour. Tom I'd love to hear your new Synergy horn. Where exactly is the NSCA show going to be held in Orlando? I'd really like to meet you. Afterwards you can confirm to the lunatic-fringe objectivists here what a rabid dog I really am! Unfortunately this is happening with WLOQs start of the summer series of outdoor jazz concerts and I seldom if ever miss an opportunity to hear live jazz. But if I can possibly attend I will do so. As I said bfore it would be nice to meet you in person.
Tomservo said: Let me know if you need a hand with your crossovers etc when it’s time. Tom if you have any free time that while you're in Orlando I'll extend to you an open invitation to come and visit my home. You can see the RCA LC9A's and if you wish hear the "Italian Connection" Mastersound/BlueNote/Aliante.
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Hi TomSometimes I cringe at some of the things said here. Its funny too as at the root of everyone’s reason for being here is an interest in getting better sound.
If it were easier to walk over and hear each others systems, it would be so much easier, sometimes there would also occasionally be those “ahhh….I see what you mean” moments..
As it is though, it leads to some lively discussion at times and sometimes requires a thick skin.
The trade show is at the convention center, a link is below.
I don’t know about the free pass situation but you can call the shop and ask about it (tell them I suggested you call). Maybe Paul B. has access to some being a recording kinda guy.
http://www.nsca.org/Expo/Attendees/EXPOBUZZ/HandsOnDemonstrationRooms/tabid/426/Default.aspx
I might have a chance to get away one evening or another although trade shows are generally pretty wearing and include going out to dinner with people etc (in other words its like real work).
We will have a demo room, an exhibit on the trade show floor and in the food court, the Matterhorn subwoofer will be parked.
I do get down to the mouse house occasionally to however so at some point I’ll take you up on your offer.
I think your LC9A’s have a lot of promise.
A couple years ago I rebuilt an A-7 for a friend. It needed drivers and a new crossover and I found a few mechanical issues in the cabinet that needed to be fixed.
The end product was better than I could have hoped for, Flat about an octave further each way than before and the phase measured as good as our stuff.
I think the geometry on your boxes would also allow a “modernization” in the same way.
While some things haven’t changed, what the drivers can do and what can be done in the computer, were simply unavailable back then.
Best,
Hello Again Tom,Like you I too, I cringe at some of the things said here.... Oh well. The invitation to come and visit my home is an open one, unlike what POLLYinFLA attempts to get people to believe here, I'm able to take constructive criticisms about my system (I know it's not perfect) and considering what you do and your vast knowledge I'd really appreciate your input. Should you get away some night it would be about 15-20mins east on the 408.
Here's a little info on the LC9As. The story of the RCA LC-9A is an interesting one, at least to RCA buffs. This model was developed by Mr. A.J. May, who was in speaker engineering at RCA from 1943 until the early 1980s. It was RCA's attempt to compete head-to-head with Altec's A7, and to improve on what RCA felt were the A7's shortcomings, most notably the lack of directivity control through the crossover region.
The LC9A used 120 degree radial horn flares for both high and low frequency sections, and achieved a very uniform pattern over this angle. The speed bump in the bass horn is the result of following n exponential flare profile. When you squeeze the horn into a radial horizontal format, the mathematical function forces this bump in the geometry. Due to the high construction costs of the cabinet and cast horn flares it was not cost competitive with the A7 and sold in very small numbers. It's estimated that only 100 to 300 pairs were ever made. The LC9A sold for $2000pr back in the very early 60's! Unfortunately RCA's audio division was really beginning to unravel by the time the LC9A was introduced, and it is probably safe to say that it did not receive the marketing effort that the design deserved. I have heard from people who heard a pair of them with original drivers, and they say they really are marvelous speakers with a captivating sound.
The LC9A was a bass reflex design, with three large ports on the lower front faces of the cabinet. Mr. May had intended to fit passive radiators to these openings. As the story was told to me, his managers heard the design at an early stage, found the performance to be "good enough", proclaimed the design finished, and reassigned A.J. to other tasks. Ah, the tribulations of working for a large corporation! From what I hear the people who own them hold them in high esteem and wouldn't part with them for anything.
Compression Driver - These RCA MI 11419's are actually JBL LE 175's OEMed for RCA by JBL.
Woofers - Unfortunately I cannot find a lot of info on these at this time other than it was called the MI 11424 and was a specially designed RCA woofer made specifically for the LC9 enclosure, designed by AJ May. It was a flat non alnico magnet. I've been extremely lucky as I was recently contacted by a man in California who has a single cabinet with the original drivers still installed, that I should be getting "if" the deal goes through.
Hope to see you Tom! Bye for now from the irrational, mean-tempered rabid dog, who love euphonically colored amp and sloppy coned speakers that don't sound anything at all like anything any serious audiophile/music lover would want to own...
Thetubeguy1954
TG54 - unlike what POLLYinFLA attempts to get people to believe here
....the irrational, mean-tempered rabid dogTom, you're taking this all way too seriously. Me saying something doesn't make it so. Me "insulting" your s-t-e-r-e-o is just that. Laugh it off. Why bring up all that stuff I kid you about, like your amp and temper, if you don't believe it yourself.
I'm sure most people know when I'm joking, needling or being serious here...except you.
If you recall, your "invitation" for me to visit was to demonstrate you being able to "hear" the difference between wires that measured no different, or no different enough to be audible, in a carefully uncontrolled listening test in your living room, to avoid the spotlight of doing so in a public forum, where you knew you would fail as all other audiophiles before you have. You simply wanted to avoid any such guaranteed embarrassment. I declined to participate in such an offer. I have better things to do with my time, as noted previously. You then insisted that I should at least hear the wonders of your particular low power tube amp, as if I had never heard a tube amp (or dozens) before. Ditto for your 2 way plastic cone monitor. There was simply no way I was going to travel all that way to hear something like that, which I have heard umpteen times before. It might sound a slight shade different from another little low efficiency 2 way box, like a Sonus Faber, as you yourself admit, like I have heard in various forms on a great many occasions. Again, that is not something I would travel 2 miles for, much less 80. If you actually had the RCA's functional with the TAD and Lambda units, that IS something I would travel for, even if hooked to a low power amp like yours, due to the sensitivity being high enough as not to be a major stumbling block to fidelity.
I would simply have ignored your fantasies about wires and came and heard your system, no strings attached.TG54 - who love euphonically colored amp and sloppy coned speakers
I never once said sloppy cones, I said floppy, alluding to the cone flex and bending hysteresis common to soft cones like the SS. I offered to bring my measuring laptop over to show you this behavior...and you declined. Ditto for the so called 1st order XO without diffraction loss correction.
I never once had a problem, with *you* saying you enjoyed them. It was much more the quotes about those being the best many expert listeners had ever heard and me being invited to drive all the way over to hear that type of sound as if it is not something I could have experienced on many occasions. I won't even mention the box coloration and monopole radiation in an acoustically small room.
The RCA is not my cup of tea either, but used with the mentioned drive units, would have been at least interesting enough to warrant my attention. So lets get at least that straight.cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
POLLYinFLA,Now states Tom, you're taking this all way too seriously. Me saying something doesn't make it so.
I'm glad you finally realize that Polly.
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Me "insulting" your s-t-e-r-e-o is just that. Laugh it off. Why bring up all that stuff I kid you about, like your amp and temper, if you don't believe it yourself. I'm sure most people know when I'm joking, needling or being serious here...except you.First I do laugh off anything you say about audio, because it comes from a "man" whose audio system consists of multiple mis-matched solidstate pro amps, copious amounts of equalization via low-end Behringer digital equalizers and your bastardization of Dr Linkwitz's Orion design. That knowledge alone would send shivers of dread up the spine of an serious audiophile or music lover, so trust me I'm laughing. As are probably 90% of all the people here who know you truly believe that "system" is capable of sounding like anything more than a giant boombox!
However what you call joking & needling when you talk about me personally is a different manner altogether. I've told you I don't consider your actions to be "joking & needling" but rather see it as what it truly is, your serious attempts to provoke an outburst from me, because you feel safe hiding behind the moniker of your PC. When someone tells you they find your behavior offensive and you continue said behavior it is no longer "joking & needling" but rather now it is seen as what it truly is, i.e. a deliberate attempt to provoke me. As I've said many times before you're behaving like a child who torments a dog by constantly prodding him with a stick, feeeling safe in what you do because you can hide behind the length of chain that restrains the dog. Then when you're caught poking the dog by it's owners you proclaim I was ONLY playing with him. Just like you want me to believe you're ONLY "joking & needling" me. I'd love to see you in the midst of a group of black people and shout out: You're all N#$$@*S and then tell them you were only "joking & needling" them. Sorry POLLYinFLA but I see such behavior for what it is, the actions of a sick mind.
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Now POLLYinFLA you really need to stop fibbing and telling half truths. Let's tell the truth as it actually happened shall we? It's true at one time I invited you over to my home. But that was before I knew you to be the pompous prick I now know you as. The "invitation" was for you to witness a demonstration of my being able to detect differences in wires when/if you changed them with me out of the room. It wasn't to avoid the spotlight of doing so in a public as you like to imply as I've offered this same challenge to RBG and Pat D-Cake. Hell all 3 of you could have come at one time. The problem with you objectivists is you all proclaim that subjectivists cannot hear differences in wires, yet when asked to come and see a subjectivist do so, you develop a myriad of excuses why you won't come or why the test isn't valid. I knew I wouldn't fail this test as I've passed it many times before! Just like I knew your objectivist would come out & decline to come witness the test. I believe your excuse was you had better things to do with your time. I don't blame you POLLYinFLA it's hard to see all your audio beliefs shot down in front of your eyes. However later much to my amazement you actually ASKED me if you could come and visit my home and hear my system. Or are you going to deny that? It was on 12/21/06 when you said: Tom, I'm giving you a chance to prove to me and educate me that your system is as good as you say and others have confirmed (as you said). Why no forgiveness for your fellow audiophile in the season of giving? Hopefully doubt has not began to creep in. If it is as good as you say, how could I not like it? Fortunately for me by that time I seen enough of your posts here on PHP to know you to be the pompous prick you are. So I rescinded my original invitation to you, permanently! To help refresh your memory as to what actually happened there's a link to your post below...Do you really want to still pretend that didn't happen when I can prove it did? I offered you a chance to hear a 40W/CH SET which is quite high powered for an SET. And now you lie and say: There was simply no way I was going to travel all that way to hear something like that, which I have heard umpteen times before. When the reality is you; a) Asked to come hear my system, b) haven't heard a 40W SET umpteen times or dozens of time before, nor c) have you heard Aliantes umpteen times or dozens of times before.
Now if you wish to proclaim here in front of everyone that all 2-way monitors and all tube amps, let alone SET amps sound basically the same, please do so. You'll only be proving to everyone what I've been saying about you since the beginning ---your listening acruity really is piss-poor. That, however, at the very least would explain how you can believe that hodge-podge of gear you call a stereo is tolerable to you!
Thetubeguy1954
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The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
POLLYinFLA,You are a sick man. Besides being a liar by claiming I'm threating you, which I've never done although I have offered you many the times the opportunity to act like man, which you've repeatedly declined.
Did poor little POLLY get his feathers twisted? Have I finally struck a nerve? Perhaps now you'll see you "joking & needling" as the sick, demented acts of violence that they are! FYI I'm Sicilian. Sicilains are decendents of Italian, Greek & Black mixed together. That's why on the tv show Sopranos they refer to Italians that aren't Sicilian as "white bread." My wife is 100% Colombian, so you're sadly mistaken POLLYinFLA when you call me a racist.
I think the analogys I provided struck you where it hurts. Now faced with the grim reality of being the pompous ass you are, you want to turn that on me and pretend I threatened you and I'm a racist. If you honestly believe I've threatened you Polly PLEASE, I implore you to go to the police and show them these vicious threats I've made. But you know as well as I do that I didn't threaten you and you're just lying, like you did when you said “…you consider them (measurements) useless and meaningless, because we really can't measure everything, so we might as well measure nothing and just listen with the trusty ol' ghost hearing measurement devices only, the ears.” Lying comes very easy to you huh Polly?
As I've said many times if you wish to meet we can. You're not afraid of a 53 yo disabled man are you? Especially one who's told you he is NOT threating you, but rather is giving you the chance to act like a man and say to his face the same nasty stuff you vomit into your posts and than pass off as "joking & needling." I have no intentions of hurting you in anyway (unless facing the truth hurts) As I've stated numerous time I want to help you, not hurt you.
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