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In Reply to: Re: They are not subjectives. posted by morricab on March 7, 2007 at 07:05:52:
"How can you measure a loss of resolution? Dynamics, maybe but only with tests that don't really exist at the moment (for example measuring dynamic or power compression with a sudden burst to simulate real music transients). "Well, Behringer made a good stab at it, even managed to write a suite of programs to modify some of those variables, how did they manage that ;-).
" However, one or the other speaker will SOUND more compressed than the other, which suggests that something was being missed in the measurements that were being made."
I doubt it is being missed, just not provided to endusers as the information is only useful to those with the requisite specialist knowledge.
Your response should be most interesting, please try and keep it polite.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
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"Well, Behringer made a good stab at it, even managed to write a suite of programs to modify some of those variables, how did they manage that ;-)."They did what? Made software to reduce resolution? I mean I guess if you inject distortion or noise into the signal you can accomplish this. Dynamics? Well of course they can be expanded or compressed electronically but if we are talking about the native dynamics of a speaker then maybe they can measure some aspects of it but not under real music conditions.
"I doubt it is being missed, just not provided to endusers as the information is only useful to those with the requisite specialist knowledge"
Your speculations are duly noted but realize that in the absence of such data my position that the information is not available holds more water than your speculation that information is being withheld. Prove to me they can make relevant measurements in this regard. Maybe they can but maybe not.
"They did what? Made software to reduce resolution?"I thought we were discussion measuring the loss of resolution, at any rate some other programs do that, but that is an aside here.
"Dynamics? Well of course they can be expanded or compressed electronically but if we are talking about the native dynamics of a speaker then maybe they can measure some aspects of it but not under real music conditions"
Engineered dynamic compression/expansion takes place under real music conditions.
"Your speculations are duly noted but realize that in the absence of such data my position that the information is not available holds more water than your speculation that information is being withheld"
Your position is no more valid than mine, not that it matters anyway.
"Prove to me they can make relevant measurements in this regard"
Too much trouble....
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
"I thought we were discussion measuring the loss of resolution,"WE ARE!! And I would posit that you have not mentioned yet how measuring let alone clearly defining what is meant by loss of resolution can be accomplished. Now you say that Behringer whipped up some software to do just that? Name of the device they sell, please that does this (if you point me to a distortion box I don't whether to laugh or cry).
"Engineered dynamic compression/expansion takes place under real music conditions."
We are not talking about electronic purposeful solutions for making compression or expansion. It is well known that these things have existed for a long time. We are talking about getting accurate measurements from the intrinsic behavior of a driver under real music conditions. These are two completely different things and I hope you can see this.
My position is more valid because you are the one claiming its measurable and I am claiming that the determination under real world and not static conditions is not available. Since you can't or won't provide an example of how this might be done then my position is clearly stronger.
Engineered dynamic compression/expansion takes place under real music conditions.Is that real ketchup, Eddie?
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