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In Reply to: Re: Chip Amp Voicing Is Definitely Dominated By POLLYinFLA's Disastrous Decision! posted by morricab on March 6, 2007 at 02:14:34:
That the DEQ might actually improve the sound of TG54's system, including his Aliantes with no baffle step filter in his non-anechoic room? Surely you jest? What about the collapsed sound stage and grit, grain, etc?
IIRC, he has some sort of CD player that deliberately measures poorly in order to sound good, so I'm not sure if he even has a digital out to use. Perhaps my good pal Tom can answer that one.
Great little cheap toy for "voicing" IMHO.cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
Follow Ups:
POLLYinFLA,Ignorantly states in his typical fashion that I (TG1954) have some sort of CD player that deliberately measures poorly in order to sound good, so POLLY's not sure if I (TG1954) even has a digital out to use.
First POLLYinFLA yes the BlueNote Stibbert most definitely has a digital out! Second how you the pompous, parroting proclaimer of poorly perceived putrid proclamations perchance pretended that the Stibbert purposely performs poorly in order to sound good, is just another fine example of more bird-brained banter of King POLLYinFla! I guess the bird brain considers these to be the measurements of a CD player, that measures poorly in order to sound good...
SPECIFICATIONS: DIMENSIONS: 550mm L x 250mm H x 450mm D - WEIGHT: Kg. 12,00 - FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 4Hz - 44KHz @ +/- 1dB - THD (Total Harmonic Distortion): 0,0001% Max. - SIGNAL-NOISE RATIO: 118dB - DYNAMIC RESPONSE: 127dB - SPEED FLUCTUATION: 0,0001% Max. - CONTROL DIGITAL SYSTEM: Zero-Clock™ - DAC: PCM1704 - DIGITAL OUTPUT: 75 ohms RCA connector - ANALOG OUTPUT: STEREO RCA + XLR connectors - POWER SUPPLY: Electro-Power™ 100/260Volt 50/60Hz electronic.
Sorry Tom, I think I confused you talking about some wacky unfiltered Kobiashi (sp?) CD player that you said measured bad so must sound good as your actual CD player. My bad.
Now what the hell is all that crap?cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
Yes POLLYinFLA, you definitely confused a previous converstion with about a CDP that measures poorly yet is supposed to sound very good. In any event the photo is the highly regarded Blue Note Stibbert, which is what I use. All that crap were the measurements you so love to rely on.Pondering & perusing the Stibbert's performance prior to posting this page of paranoid parrot proclimations could have possibly prevented POLLYinFLA's pathetic position, permiting him perchance to parlay this portion of his putrid plan & possibly prepare a path out when mistaken as his is... Alas he's but a bumbling bird-brain beaten before beginning because as he says... He confused what I was talking about! Here's a tip, take time, think, then talk!
I like those, although you consider them useless and meaningless, because we really can't measure everything, so we might as well measure nothing and just listen with the trusty ol' ghost hearing measurement devices only, the ears.
No, I was talking about all that crap around the CD drawer. Is that cube like a Borg ship, where it's picked up all that other junk or is the entire thing the cd player? Is that some sort of clamp?
Now another question for you. How would that Dilbert thing have improved upon the sound of Dr Geddes RMAF demo if substituted for the $50 Costco Toshiba? http://gedlee.com/downloads/Observations and Thoughts.pdf
TG54's thoughts and observations?cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
POLLYinFLAConcerning the specs of the Stibbert you commented: I like those, although you consider them useless and meaningless, because we really can't measure everything, so we might as well measure nothing and just listen with the trusty ol' ghost hearing measurement devices only, the ears.
Once again POLLYinFLA you're succeeding only in showing your stupidity and arrogance. Not one subjectivist person I know believes ALL measurements are meaningless. This is unfortunately your poor mistaken impression of what subjectivists believe. Your mistaken postion is further clarified when to add your comment of: because we really can't measure everything, so we might as well measure nothing and just listen with the trusty ol' ghost hearing measurement devices only, the ears. But lo & behold even Dr. Linkwitz, the man whose speaker design you bastardized in an attempt to "improve" it uses his ears and trusted the ears of a friend OVER measurements to make final improvements when voicing his Orions. So why would you use this design or use some variation of it, "IF" using the ear as the final arbitrator is such a heinous thing as you appear to suggest? You're a real hypocrite POLLYinFLA, you use a variation of speakers that were finally voiced by trusting the ear and then you ridicule everyone else who does that exact same thing!
What subjectivists believe is there should be a measurement for EVERYTHING we hear. It's an unfortunate state of affairs that today's measurements as they're typically used in audio correlate very little with what we hear. Ask Tom Danley about that Polly! So POLLYinFLA as you're the one who bows at the altar of measurements, please tell me which measurement defines how high a soundstage will be? Which measurement defines how wide a soundstage will be? Which measurement defines how deep a soundstage will be? Which measurement defines how much "air" will be heard around the performers & instruments? Which measurement defines what a components resolution capabilities are? What measurement defines a components imaging capabilities? These are all important to me so please tell which measurements I need to read and how to interpret them. If you do that I'll use them, I promise! But until you do so I'll have to trust MY ears, not some ghost's ears.
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POLLYinFLA continues with: No, I was talking about all that crap around the CD drawer. Is that cube like a Borg ship, where it's picked up all that other junk or is the entire thing the cd player? Is that some sort of clamp?I'm quite sure you don't really care about this CDP at all but instead are yet again attempting to ridicule or provoke me. However in case anyone does care. The BlueNote Stibbert's actual CDP itself is the gray box that hangs down from the black acrylic plinth. It is completely isolated via 4 conical springs. The main plinth of the CD player chassis, just as the Bluenote analog record players, is made of a 20mm thick black acrylic shaped like the Ferrari Formula 1 steering wheel. This special shape, was purposely designed to have totally non-parallel edges, which increases enormously the structural rigidity. The implementation of the design is to virtually eliminate any vibration feedback.
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Now POLLYinFLA I don't know why you insist on asking me questions like: How would that Stibbrt have improved upon the sound of Dr Geddes RMAF demo if substituted for the $50 Costco Toshiba?As I've told you numerous times in the past, unlike you I don't comment on audio components I haven't heard. I will admit that if there wasn't a marked improvement that was immediately noticeable when inserting the Stibbert in place of a $50 Toshiba CDP, I'd be shocked! I can tell you this much because I heard it for myself, the Stibbert made a marked improvement when it replaced the Audiomecca KEOPS CDP I was previously using. The Audiomecca KEOPS also made a marked improvement when it replaced the CAL DX2 I used before it. As for the difference between a $50 Toshiba and the $5000 Stibbert I BELIEVE it would be so dramatic that even you'd comment about the differences heard. However until I heard it for myself I cannot promise it would be so, but I believe it would be so with all my heart.
"I like those, although you consider them useless and meaningless, because we really can't measure everything, so we might as well measure nothing and just listen with the trusty ol' ghost hearing measurement devices only, the ears."Yep, you captured the foolishness that pervades thinking of many on this board.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Who in the world... or just on this board ... thinks we should measure nothing at all in audio??? It's a statement that is so far beyond ridiculous that I find it hard to believe anyone feels that way.
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