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In Reply to: Re: I Think It's Corrupt Beyond Recognition..... posted by Don T on February 9, 2007 at 10:05:52:
I think that you are full of crap! Putting down our efforts to make better audio products only slows down acceptance by the mid-fi manufacturers to make better sounding products. I continue to research on how to make better analog designs, and I applaud manufacturers who delve to make CD playback more acceptable sounding. I still think that it sucks, and only really well tweaked CD players have ever given me sound that is worthwhile to listen to. I don't even listen to it in my auto, even though I have a CD player. It just sounds too 'digital' to me.
I personally don't care if many people are happy with their existing CD player and mid fi electronics. I won't attack their conclusions about quality sound for themselves, but I resent them getting nasty regarding my efforts to make better sound.
I am continually working to make better sounding products. Just this week, I hope to tweak a pair a JC-1 power amps in order to make them even better sounding. Why should I when they already have an 'A' rating in 'Stereophile'? Because I want to make the best sound that I can with my best designs, and it is a never ending quest.
I am sure that it is the same with car designers, as they constantly evolve and hopefully improve their latest models. Certainly, a 1979 Honda is not the same as a 2007 Honda, even if the basic characteristics of the compact auto sedan have been defined for many decades.
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"I think that you are full of crap! Putting down our efforts to make better audio products only slows down acceptance by the mid-fi manufacturers to make better sounding products. I continue to research on how to make better analog designs, and I applaud manufacturers who delve to make CD playback more acceptable sounding.Stereo is an ill-defined format. "Better sound" sound long ago became a matter of subjective opinion. I applaud any audio designers attempts to bring us "better sound" - however the reality of the situation is all such attempts end in results of a subjective nature. You might argue some real objective and measureable improvement and I'd say so what if the majority of stereo recordings don't "sound better" to most listeners.
Even after all of these years the majority of consumers are happy with lower fidelity - ie. they ignore benefits of high fidelity. Obviously even if such benefits are easily apparent to the masses (and I'm not so sure it is, of course it is for me) it is not worth the additional expense to them.
Even amongst those of us who believe that it's worth the additional expenditure to get higher fidelity are opinions differ. You go ahead and continue to deliver "better sound" - I applaud you. Just remember, even amongst those of us who believe, not all of us are going to agree with what you come up with. And given the fuzzy nature of 2 channel recordings it's unreasonable for you to expect such agreement.
The majority of consumers accept fast food too! So what? Down with quality resturants?
Chefs are only hucksters trying to sell you atmosphere and subjective alterations of food?
"The majority of consumers accept fast food too! So what? "That's why fast food restaurant proliferate - and that's why lofi abounds. That's reality. Offering better food and better audio reproduction at price points consumers are willing to afford will reap rewards.
"Down with quality resturants?"
Often when dining in "fine" restaurants I find the menu impossible, the presentation ridiculus and the "taste" off putting. The fact that the restaurant is "fine" or expensive" isn't enough to make it preferable to "fast food". Though my favorite restaurants are on the more costly side the reality of the situation is that often I prefer less expensive restaurants to more expensive restaurants.
So it is with audio gear as well. Being expensive or more costly is not enough to make it preferable.
"Chefs are only hucksters trying to sell you atmosphere and subjective alterations of food?""Hucksters" is your word. Good Chef's are artistic craftsmen who desire to share culinary visions with the public.
Good audio designers are artistic craftsmen who desire to share their sonic perspectives with the public.
"You might argue some real objective and measureable improvement and I'd say so what if the majority of stereo recordings don't 'sound
better' to most listeners."You see poor Donny either has no talent for picking components, or can't affort good ones, or just doesn't have what it takes to assemble a superior system that makes the best of the vast majority of recordings.
The irony is that he projects his ill fortune onto audiophiles in general... nothing more (pathetically) funny than a fool's hubris!
The issue is not about CD, as Aczel wisely stated in one of his articles, digital is in improvement in method nor an improvement in results, CD is in improvement in method, not results, CD like most of the formats before it was limited to 2ch. any real development requires moving away 2ch format.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
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