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In Reply to: Re: "Who's right, ahhh, the engineers of course. *They know it all.*" posted by Burns on February 8, 2007 at 15:17:23:
If someone wants to listen and judge for themselves they don't need to be warned. It's their time and money and they may come to the same conclusion as you or possibly not, but either way they can decide for themselves.
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...the regulators! Call the police! Someone, please, and get these people outtahere!
Freedom to defraud, eh?
Hi TomIt seems to me In more recent times Madison avenue et al has pretty much taken over as the major influence in our society.
We depend on its primary commercial pathway (TV) for most of our world information and as a result our culture is being twisted to make us better, thoughtless consumers and like now, to have only seen one side of world events for many years.Along with the Madison Ave’s "ethically blind cash vacuum" liberal approach has come another step to condition us, the Politically Correct movement.
This movement at its core is essentially the proposition that one can pick up a dog turd at the clean end and smoke it like a fine cigar and that you are a backwards fool not to see it that way.In the old days engineers would get serious and argue about cables, what they can and can’t do from an electrical standpoint, now, most just laugh when you talk exotic cables.
The knowledge base in engineering has diverged so far from the hifi market’s lore that it is another world, like Alchemy and Chemistry, Crystal healing and Penicillin, Pyramid power and power plants.In many cases, people in hifi spend money on things they believe and enjoy as fine cigars, who’s job is it to tell them other wise?. No ones job, the only "Jobs" there are that pay are in selling and perpetuating the doggie cigars.
On the flip side are many mfr’s who’s posture is perfection, who’s products are marketed in mass market chains. Go to a mass retailer and ask to hear the best system they have. No wonder most people think good sound is a couple dice cube speakers and a show box sub woofer flat to 150Hz.
Here is it also the sales expedient at work.
Best,Tom Danley
How's things where it warmer now?
I don't see how they are defrauding anyone. If someone believes that the product may make a difference, it is their money to do with what they want. Also, the company in question offers a 30 day money back guarantee so, if they do not perform up to expectations, they can be returned and the purchaser's money refunded.btw, I do not believe that these can make a difference and I will not purchasing the product(s) in question. but others have the option of trying them and returning them if not satisfied.
Cheerswelly
I went to a restaurant that serves "breakfast at any time". So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance.
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At the very least these purveyoys of snake oil, these con artists, these unspeakable wretches have your money to play with in the meantime. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they have a favorable short-term bank arrangement that gives them 10% or better on cash deposits, that being the source of their immense accrued wealth. And you suckers fall for it. Keep going with that warranty, Johnny, and you'll be making the schemers richer.
Those unbelievable bastards with their warranties. Sheesh, if it doesn't work, just return it for a full refund. The Attorney General should throw them all in prison for such a devious plot! :)
Welly---Well a con man figures on people not getting wise to the con, he counts on the mark's cooperation.We often make laws to protect the weak and silly-minded, I think that's often a good thing to do. This can get political real fast.
In point of fact, under the applicable federal law (and the law of many states) any advertiser is required to be able to substantiate factual claims it makes in advertisements. The chief federal enforcer of these things is the Federal Trade Commission.Unfortunately for us all, the FTC, through successive administrations, beginning in 1980, has largely abandoned this task.
If you read the ads for these tweaks carefully, you will notice that they are carefully phrased to avoid making factual claims. Somehow, I don't think that's an accident.
Who wants to spend their butter on the lawyer's bread?
...FTC investigation of the audio cable business! I was there, heard it all. These people seemed *really upset* that claims for wires were being believed -- of course later I realized that lawyers and psychologists would be the chief beneficiaries of the expenditures required to conduct the examinations...That, and no longer are cables considered the snake oil they once were, save for a recalcitrant few.
"That, and no longer are cables considered the snake oil they once were, save for a recalcitrant few."At the AES??? Are you serious? Go to an AES convention and start discussing special cables and see what kind of reception you get. Better yet, give a presentation on the subject, and look for anyone in the audience not rolling his eyes!
...cables were not de rigeur even in the high end. That's what I meant.
bunch of bozos, don't you mean Homeland Security?
...along with the freedom to advance. That's the freedom I cherish.
You don't know what you're talking about. Every decision you have made without our noble assistance is WRONG! Get on the wagon, pal, and enjoy our tender mercies through continuous component upgrades; only therein lies the True Path to Happyness.
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