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In Reply to: Logic is silly for you. I thought so. posted by Pat D on August 25, 2006 at 10:59:09:
Pat that has got to be the most off-base, illogical response to a post I've ever seen on AA. First and foremost how you can call that an intelligent response to the post a wrote, could ONLY exist in your mind.You attribute things to me I don't say, mean or believe. I've never said that "not proven" is the equivalent to "can't happen." that thought ONLY exists in your head and only in Pat's weird audio world.
Truth be told you've NEVER clearly & precisely ever explained what YOU really believe about wires. Instead you always point to others articles, papers and posts! Can't you articulate your beliefs? If not then perhaps you don't even really know what you do believe or maybe you're afraid to tell us what you really believe.
Play your childish games Pat. Continue to feel like you know the truth, but rest assured you don't. I looked at your audio system to get an indication of what you listen to today in Inmates Systems. At least now I know why you CANNOT hear differences the differences I do.
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That's your main silliness. What difference does it make what I "believer" or whether or not I "believe?" Answer: it's irrelevant. My beliefs make no difference, it's evidence that counts.What I do point out is that after some decades, people like you have failed to show that they can hear the differences between interconnects at line level or speaker wires. You claim you can do so. I do not deny that you can but I do not accept it, either. Why? No evidence you can. You have supplied neither measured data indicating differences above known JNDs nor have you supplied data from DBTs.
Some of those you might term "objectivists" (though Objectivism is the name for the philosophy of Ayn Rand) have tried to find some of the conditions under which speaker cables make an audible difference--the usual things are level differences and FR differences. Jneutron thinks some frequency related time differences betwen cables might be audible but has provided no direct evidence as yet--but then he is not making a claim as to audibility.
tubeguy:
"I looked at your audio system to get an indication of what you listen to today in Inmates Systems. At least now I know why you CANNOT hear differences the differences I do."I should point out that you are making a circumstantial ad hominem by bashing my system, which is probably quieter than yours, I would guess. But then I am hardly surprised as you often resort to ad hominem. Why do you have a need to do that?
I suggest you get a subwoofer if you want bass below 35 Hz.
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"Nature loves to hide."
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Pat PLEASE tell me you're being sarcastic with this comment "What difference does it make what I "believer" or whether or not I "believe?" Answer: it's irrelevant. My beliefs make no difference, it's evidence that counts.If I am discussing/debating anything with YOU that your beliefs on that subject absolutely do matter as they influence everything you say!
But why am I surprised? For you continue from one bit of silliness to another. For now you proclaim: "What I do point out is that after some decades, people like you have failed to show that they can hear the differences between interconnects at line level or speaker wires." That's an outright lie Pat, you know John Atkinson and others have proven this very thing.
Next Pat you say "You claim you can do so." And that's true I can!
But in typical Pat D audio politcian manner you state; "I do not deny that you can but I do not accept it, either. Why? No evidence you can." Come to FLA and let me provide you evidence Pat!
I do however love how you responded to my opinion of your system. Pat D states "I should point out that you are making a circumstantial ad hominem by bashing my system, which is probably quieter than yours, I would guess. But then I am hardly surprised as you often resort to ad hominem. Why do you have a need to do that?"
Not an ad hominem Pat old boy, just an effort on my part towards giving your statements some credibility. Knowing the quality of what you listen to and consider to be "...the best speakers I have had and as good as anything I have ever heard." goes a long ways towards the weight I give your audio opinions. IMHO after reading that you're like someone who owns a Corvette telling a man who owns a Lamborghini Diablo GTR, why the Corvette is the better car. When the reality is, it's ONLY a better car in his mind and no where else!
Besides trying fiqure out what amount of weight to give your audio statements through knowing what you own and what you think of it, I gave you my honest assessment of what I consider to be a just barely entry-level highend system. I'd hardly call what I said "bashing it" though. I was only being honest of what I thought of a side-by-side comparison of our speakers.
You could be right though MAYBE your system is quieter than mine. But FYI with TAD 2001's, which are at least 96dB efficient on my SET nary a bit o'hiss was heard! It's quiet enough for me. Like you always say; But is it audible? So your entry-level system MAY be quieter than my system, but is the quietness difference audible? I'd say not!
Now as far as your statement of; I suggest you get a subwoofer if you want bass below 35 Hz. I'll wait till I get my RCA LC9A's up and running before making that decision.
Thetubeguy1954
Have you ever heard the Paradigm Reference Signature line?You seem to think that because you are attacking my credibility that you were not committing a circumstantial ad hominem by bashing my system. In fact, attacking credibility is precisely what an ad hominem is for. It is an invalid argument because it does not bear on the issue.
I'm glad you like your system.
BTW, it is not quite clear just what JA claims he heard, whether he proved it, or whether it is applicable to whether interconnects sound different. And the audible differences between speaker wires were found with much longer wires.
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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
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