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I would like a more efficient system than the average home audio speaker.
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Ok edta...what style of Music do you listen to and how much output do you want?? That is crucial...
I was in your shoes a while back .....hifi = not enough output, and loss of dynamics.....
so Klipsch came to town.
First the KSF 10.5
100w rms
95db 1w/1mNice sound, but horns are a bit bright. The NAD was a a bit bright, but the Carver was more suited for these. The carver was rated 200w rms, but is said to clip at 350w.
Important:
Use a nice power amp with alot of power. Headroom is king....Forget recievers.....
Next
Klipsch Forte 2
100w rms
99 db 1w/1mThese are a markable upgrade over the KSF 10.5
If you can score a pair of these for $450-600 , then you are set.Next
Klipsch LaScala
100w rms
104 db 1w/1ma step up on the Forte 2 , but not quite as low in the bass, but the bass you get is quite faster with more bite....
these are a bit brighter
they are bigger (2x3x2)These offer similar performance ('similar') to pro speakers in terms of efficiency and output.
You wanted more output, so ignore these people that told you about monitors. They are analytical, but not the output you want.....
There are pro speakers you could use, but the horn's coverage is what you have to keep an eye on. Look for 90x40.....as 40x20 would be for very long distances.....
I would really like to help you out more , so lmk:
your budget
room size
current setup
go to the highefficiency loudspeaker asylum here in this group. Those guys are great, and most have made the transition you are talking about (hifi to pro).....if you want output, you need horns.
cheers
x
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b
Here is a link to a previous post about pro audio spks & equipment that could be suitable for a domestic enviroment, depending on what type of sound you are looking for.
There are some speakers that crossover the divide between pro and home audio. I play drums for a band, and have been on stages where Klipsch Lascalas were set up as main sound system speakers. They sound very good, are 104 db in sensitivity, large but not monsters, do not need bi-amping, and a 5-10 watt amp will fill a large home listening room with clear,well defined,and dynamic music.
I bought a pair on the used market for my home audio system for $900.00. I absolutly love them.
mg16
Hi edta,Most SR (sound reinforcement) speakers (ignoring Bose) use highly directional speakers to minimize early reflections and increase the depth of coverage (so the sound doesn't get as muddy from all the reflections and so the people in the back can hear too). These characteristics don't seem appropriate for most home listening environments, unless your listening room used to be a 2 lane bowling alley in the past (long and skinny). While SR speakers can have a smooth frequency response (helps prevent feedback) the response curve is usually not all that flat.
If you are interested in PRO audio gear with home stereo possibilities, a better choice might be to look at some of the near field studio monitors. The Mackie SR824 for example. is a very credible set of self powered speakers (biamped with active crossovers) that I think would make the beginnings of a very nice home theater system. A pair of these goes for around $1200.
Phil
There are pa speakers that sound HiFi enough, but those are very expensive. Not only the speakers themselve are expensive, but the more expensive ones usually need biamping, which increases costs dramaticly. Also, most full range pa speakers have response to about 100Hz, even the larger ones. You would also need a sub, which isn't only very large, but also makes the price higher. PA speakers are made for high sound pressure levels, good sounding PA speakers don't come cheap :).
By the way, most PA speakers have a 90x40 horn, so that wouldn't be a problem.
The PA speakers you find in music stores usually have 90x40 horns, but real SR speakers need to be arrayable so they are normally more directional than that.Phil
PA in music stores :P? I never come there. I work in a theater, and almost all PA speakers that are used there have 90x40 horns. And those PA's (EAW, Apogee, D&B, Axys, ect) aren't the cheap ass music store PA's you're referring to.
Theater is very different from live sound reinforcement, you don't often have a stage volume level of 110 dB you need to get above with the FOH system. You also normally use a more distributed speaker system (more, smaller speakers sprinkled about the room) rather than a few large clusters of bigger speakers, like concerts use. The greater distance between speakers, and reduced distance between the audiance and the speakers makes it much easier to get decent sound out pretty much any speaker in a theater setting.Real sound reinforcement speakers (as apposed to the stuff sold in your local Music Store) is designed to permit you to control how the sound is dispersed in a room to let you do one or more of the following things:
- Avoid spraying sound on the walls and ceilings. This cuts down on reverberation and makes vocals easier to understand.
- Array multiple speakers without causing lobing problems. This lets you get those huge stupid loud speaker clusters that modern rock concerts demand and still get even coverage. It takes more than a trap shaped box to make an arrayable speaker
- Project sound farther (long throw) reducing the need for delay speakers in larger venues. Gives better, more even coverage for the audiance.There must be an application for uncontrolled sound dispersion in live sound work, otherwise how is Bose able to keep selling systems? But for the life of me I can't imagine any live sound reinforcement situation that is made better by less directional control of the sound.
Just to open you eyes to what I am talking about here is an easy experiment for you to try. Put two of those speakers with the 90x40 horns side by side, right next to each other, and play some music through them. Then walk around the room while listening carefully to them. If you have an SPL meter use it. You will very quickly understand why directional control in an SR speaker is such a good idea. It is almost impossible to closely array 90x40 horns without very uneven volume levels in the covered area. About the best you can do with speakers like that is put one on each side of the stage (like bar bands do) and hope for the best.
Didn't mean to step on any toes here, but I call it like I see it. 90x40 horns spell "Bar Band" and "DJ" when it comes to live sound.
Phil
I'm right with you there Haldor.
I just wish people would pay as much attention to the problems caused by Badly arrayed speakers as they do to whether the CD Player or whatever is connected using 'Gold Plated unidirectional cable'! (Anything less might colour the sound! they claim).
The world would sound sweeter if people paid attention to the things that matter.
Amen!you said it!
nothing more sad, and energy depleting than an audiophile!
Must be different in England then, as just about everything sold here has 60 X 40 Horns (Whether Music store gear or Real Pro Gear).
The D&B's I use have excellent directivity, with a quoted 60 degree conical coverage, & other Hi-End pro. stuff such as Meyer, Nexo & similar that I have used has 60 degree (& smaller) beam widths.
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