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In Reply to: Assisting with church's system upgrade posted by Stehno on January 12, 2002 at 07:46:50:
Hi,I handle the sound for a church and like yourself had a much better home audio background in the beginning. May I suggest that you visit other churches in your area in a type of knowledge seeking mission. This has been beneficial to me in discovering strengths and weaknesses in different systems.
An important note is where the focus of your service is. In my case, voice intelligibility for the message seems to take precedence over musical performances as budget currently permits.
A secondary issue is esthetics. The sound maybe decent, but big black obtrusive speakers aren't always pleasant to look at.
You will be surprised to find out how little amplifier power organs require. Are you using a dedicated system for the organ?
As for feedback control, I've had great success with a Sabine feedback units. Of course, the proper speaker and layout would be first to minimize this problem.
For the look and sound did you consider looking at the Bose pro speaker line. The Bose Pro audio division isn't through the normal bose website. You can get contact information through the normal website. Normally, I wouldn't consider Bose for my home audio, but they seem to carry respectable gear for live sound.
If you do plan on doing most of the work yourself, I recommend a church or some live sound reinforcement guide.
By the way, I am currently using the Crown K-1 amp. I chose this model since fan noise is an issue. It does a fantastic job.
Follow Ups:
Hi brain echo,Feedback eliminaters can be useful for the spoken word, but can cause problems of their own for music or singing. The best way I've seen to use a Feedback eliminater is plugged into an insert on a single channel with a mic used only for the spoken word. I would never trust one of the "seek and destroy" automatic feedback eliminators on the main speakers.
Actually the key to preventing feedback is fixing your speaker system and controlling stage volume. If you have a well designed, properly installed speaker system then you find it is actually pretty difficult to get it to feed back. Last week I rearranged my sound booth and rung out the monitor eq (it's been 6 months or so since I last checked and stuff happens). I decided to see how well my pastors lavier mic worked out in the santuary. I was able to walk out in front of the central cluster, turn around and face the speakers and didn't get the slightest hint of feedback. That would have been unthinkable with our old speaker system.
Bose is a great marketing organization, but their products are not very well thought of by most sound professionals. The big problem you are normally fighting is directional control to keep sound on the audiance and off the ceiling/walls. Non-directional speakers (Bose are by design actually anti-directional) usually have little advantage to offer in sound reinforcement. Bose may sound ok for playing back prerecorded music, but normally will not give clear, intelligible sound in most churchs. What is really strange is that for some reason Bose has decided to target the church sound market and is aggressively going after that business even though they don't have the right products to serve them.
I have heard rumblings about a new line array product about to be released by Bose that is supposed to have good directional control. If this is true then I would consider them, but there is nothing in their current product line that I would consider for use in a church.
Phil
I agree.....The Bose line I was interested in is the new Panaray MA12 models.
Philip
Hi PhilipHave you had a chance to hear them yet? I have read some comments about them (very preliminary) on the Church Soundcheck website and first reports are positive.
Phil
I'm currently looking for an installed, reasonably close location with these speakers. I'll post a follow up when after a hearing test.Phil
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