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In Reply to: Corrections and answers posted by Gordon Rankin on February 9, 2007 at 08:30:58:
Thanks Gordon. Thats my take on Foobar as well. I don't want to spend my life tweaking but I am willing to put in extra effort to get better sound if it pays.I had anticipated doing my ripping with EAC because of hearing that this was always considered the best but I mention you speak here of secure ripping with J River.
Does this mean the ripping facility of J River (in secure mode) is on a par with EAC?
Thanks again,
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Dave,If Steve (Mercman) says so then he has more experience with this.
In the begginging EAC was it. Now pretty much all of these programs have spent sometime getting better at ripping.
I've done file comparisons between files ripped with J. River MC 11 and EAC. The short answer is that EAC is NO BETTER for accuracy. Details:- I use secure ripping for MC 11. I use secure ripping with the Test&Copy command for EAC. No C2, no Accurate Rip. Ripping speed is about the same for MC 11 and EAC. I have used 3 different DVD drives on 2 PCs.
- On CDs that MC 11 ripped with no extra re-reads, MC 11 and EAC produce identical WAV files. (~95% of my CDs.)
- On CDs that MC 11 requires extra re-reads but gets a result that it feels is reliable, EAC also requires re-reads and achieves a reliable result. MC 11 and EAC produce identical WAV files in those cases. (3-4% of my CDs.)
- On CDs that MC 11 can't achieve a reliable result on one or more tracks, EAC can't either. I have re-ripped with EAC for most of my problem CDs and NEVER found a CD that can be ripped reliably with EAC that could not be ripped reliably with EAC. (1-2% of my CDs. Some show visible spots or scratches, some don't. Sometimes blowing on the CD and then re-ripping produces a reliable result. Some times re-ripping with a different drive producesa reliable result.)
There are lots of options to try with EAC that may give accurate results with quicker ripping speed. You could use burst mode with the Test&Copy command. You could try using C2 information for detecting errors. You could use the AccurateRip.Dll add-on to compatre your results to those of other users in ripping the same CD.
A new version of dbPowerAmp was recently released that makes thorough use of C2 info for detecting and correcting errors and AccurateRip.Dll for comparing results. That might be worth a look for the best combination of speed and accuracy.
EAC isn't the only game in town. It just has the loudest cheerleaders.
Bill
One can become very fanatical about this ripping stuff. I have 2 Plextor 716A drives and a Plextor Premium in my PC. Using EAC, J.River, and PlexTools Pro XL, I could not detect a sonic difference between the same title ripped with these programs. I'm sure we may find some errors in one of these, but I couldn't hear it.
Thanks Mercman and Old Listener.Interesting to learn that on close comparison there doesn't seem to be any audible advantage to ripping through EAC as opposed to other programs like JRiver.
When I did rip through EAC many years ago I didn't run a machine connected to the internet so had to manually enter song track titles etc. Obviously now I would be re-ripping my collection and doing so on a connected computer. Do either JRiver or EAC offer capabilities to download album art either automatically or manually? Also, I assume they are both capable of retrieving the necessary tags to generate track titles etc. correct?
Thanks,
I can't tell the difference between J. River rips and EAC. Yes, J.River is on par with EAC in my opinion.
Thanks for that Steve.I have used EAC before although not for some time. Without question it gives great rips but the interface is a little clunky and I am not sure how it handles tags and cover art etc.
From what I've seen of J River I would imagine it would offer a little more of a polished package for its ripping and seamlessly include cover art options etc. I will check this out.
Thanks again,
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