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Hi,I've been perusing this forum for a while and have set up an old PC to use as a music server. It's nothing fancy; the main idea at this point is to have a basic platform from which I can begin to learn more about PC audio.
The big question I have at this point concerns the problem of maintaining track order when ripping cd's to the HDD. I've done a little bit of searching but I havn't found one ripper/library management program (I'm not sure which is resposible for maintaining track order)that will without question solve this problem. Part of my concern is the necessity of maintaining the order of tracks on classical cd's.
Is there a ripper or management program that will maintain the track order of a cd? Organizationally, I'm thinking of ripping cd's to their own folder with the hope that somehow track order can be maintained within the folder.
Is this possible?
Any suggestions as to any programs out there that will get this done would be helpful.
Thanks in advance,Steve W.
Follow Ups:
Hi,Thanks for the info on getting started with this. I was trying to use WMP as the player/library but wanted rip the cd's as waves; I dont have XP SP2 so I can't use WMP 11 to rip the cd's from within WMP.
I figured out how to accomplish the file naming within WMP. After hearing some clicks and pops using WMP as the player, I tried Foobar, no clicks or pops. So the experimentation continues.
I'm using EAC to rip the cd's; seems to work well.
About the clicks and pops, are they related to software only? I'm assuming on an old PC like the one I'm using (AMD K6 450mhz, 256mb ram, Sound Blaster Audigy LS soundcard, 100gb Seagate HDD) that the hardware plays a role?
I should say that thus far I am pleased with the results of this project; its hard not to appreciate the convenience of having the cd's on the PC and I think the sound reproduction is quite good in light of my expectations. I'm looking foreward to going further with this.
Anyway thanks for the responses they were very helpful.
Steve W.
I would think the K6-2 450 would be okay, but the 256MB may be a bit low for XP. Have a look at Task Manager and see if most or all your physical memory is being used up when playing music. If it is, then the system will periodically swap out parts of physical memory to disc, with unpredictable results on music playback.
I guess U'm lucky that Winamp sounds better on my machine.If you use EAC, and Accurate rip it will generate a Winamp playlist -
I set the albums up in folders - Save'em from EAC to the folder
and I'm off and running
This is not a problem. It's usually taken care of on 3 levels.The first is one you mentioned, namely to have only one CD per directory.
The second is the file naming convention. If you use the program EAC (Exact Audio Copy), there is a dialog accessed by choosing EAC menu, EAC options, filename tab. In the "naming scheme" edit box, paste in "%N - %T" without quotes. "%N" is a wildcard for the track number that's picked up by EAC. "%T" is a wildcard for the track title. The track number expands to 2 digits, so track 1 is 01, track 2 is 02 and so on. This convention creates a file name by putting a two-digit track number followed by a space, followed by a dash, followed by another space, then finally the track name. So a listing of file names might look like:
01 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.flac
02 - With A Little Help From My Friends.flac
03 - Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.flac
04 - Getting Better.flac
05 - Fixing A Hole.flac
06 - She's Leaving Home.flac
07 - Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!.flac
08 - Within You Without You.flac
09 - When I'm Sixty-Four.flac
10 - Lovely Rita.flac
11 - Good Morning Good Morning.flac
12 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise).flacThe third (and most robust) way for handling track ordering is in the file tags. The tags are information that's put inside each file, such as the track name, the track number, the artist, and the album title. So each file "knows" all this information. Not all files support tags. WAV files do not, but FLAC and APE do. I would recommend using FLAC, as it compresses the file but does so without losing data, in addition to supporting tags. It is also an open standard, so you don't have to worry about corporations such as Apple and Microsoft manipulating the format for their own ends.
Intelligent music playback software is capable of scanning the files and pulling out the tag information from inside the files. It can then build an intelligent database that allows for sorting by various criteria. For example, in my SlimServer software that comes with my Squeezebox, I can sort my collection by artist. I click on the artist and all that artist's albums are listed. I click on the album I want, and all the tracks are listed in the correct order, since each file "knows" its track number and the software reads this info and puts it into its database.
So, to make a long story short:
1) Use EAC to rip your CDs, using a file naming convention similar to the above.
2) Use a lossless file format such as FLAC that supports tags to allow software to make intelligent use of them.
3) Use intelligent playback software that's capable of building a database using the information from the file tags. Most music playing software can do this.
> Not all files support tags. WAV files do not. . .This is not entirely true, as I discovered back when I
was using the cd3o wireless media player.http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5213
[Aug 05, 2005]
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M[usic]M[atch]J[uke]B[ox] is one of the few programs that
writes tags to .wav files. Several media jukeboxes (like the
Audiotron, cd3o and Squeezebox) can actually read MMJB wav
tags, but I'm not finding any PC software that can read them,
let alone convert the files along with their metadata to
some other format (like FLAC).
----------------------------------That last comment (about not finding any PC software that
can use Music Match wav tags) also seems not to be the
case anymore:http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm
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Tag&Rename is a music files tag editor that easily
handles all popular digital audio formats. . .Tag&Rename 3.3New!
Major new features in version 3.3 from 3.2:. . .added wav files support (MUSICMATCH Jukebox style -
ID3v2 tag added to 'id3 ' wav chunk). . .
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Hey andy,This is a great answer and should give many people something to think about.
You are definately correct that .wavs do not support tagging, but you can get the same effects with cue sheets and .wavs.
It works great with Foobar as long as you tell it to only look for .cue files. All the track and song info is contained in the cue sheet.
nt
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