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In Reply to: winamp - DirectSound v2.45 still sounds better than Kernel Streaming posted by Triodeuser on November 24, 2006 at 14:02:01:
TU,WHich version of foobar are you using?
Are you getting pops and clicks with asio?
I would like to try winamp, but I loaded it another PC and I can't get past the user interface. Foobar just seems to do more, but maybe that is becuase I have tweaked it for a long time, and could do the same with winamp.
I really find it hard to believe that DS could sound better than any of the asio outs...something doesn't seem right here.
Follow Ups:
I didn't like the "classic" winamp interface, and used the option for "modern" skin.I like that interface better than foobar, generally.
Was using ASIO with Foobar - can't remember which/what.
You said
"I really find it hard to believe that DS could sound better than any of the asio outs...something doesn't seem right here"
That's why I posted. So that if some had not tried it recently, the latest version may be working better.
DS is clearly better in my configuration. Easily better than kernel streaming. When A/B-ing them I went so far as to match levels with a DB meter, although it really wasn't necessary - there's that much difference. Couldn't get Otochan to run.
Of course, all of this could be limited to my particular config
Hardware config is pretty simple -
Hard drive ->
Lynx two-B sound card out ->
BSS FDS366 digital crossover ->
Amps out to ->
speakers
Spoke too quick about no clicks and pops _grin_ had a few this afternoon, still - it's better with winamp than with foobar.
Yep, was getting the clicks and pops with ASIO. Was so bad in Foobar, prompted me to call tech support wondering if hardware issue. Had several with winamp today, but not really enough to worry about.
HMM.I have that same card and I never get drop outs with Foobar...well at least since I changed the priority to realtime. WHat is strange, is that I DO get drop outs with DS in Foobar. ASIO works better on my rig.
BUt I am using the dacs on the Lynx card, and not the digital out (well, I am but for headphone listening).
Yeah the classic Foobar interface blows, and winamp is much better, but with the columns UI plug in, you can get Foobar to do and look like just about anything. Hydrogen audio has a ton of cool looking Foobar "skins". I found that most players are song based vs. album based, and I guess I am kind of old school, in that I usually listen to albums. I set Foobar up to work this way, and have a few song based presets.
If you are using 8.3, then it is vital that you use the correct version of ASIO. THere are normal, SSE1 or SSE2, and this can make a big difference. THis is one reason I dig the latest version...there is only one option.
- http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=pcaudio&n=6602&highlight=SSE&r=&session= (Open in New Window)
Since clicks and pops are usually a clock synch issue, I don't understand how there would be a difference with software, but it somewhat seems to do so. However, that is not a definitive answer. Actually, to do the testing necessary to determine that with any real scientific accuracy is beyond my willingness to do that level of serious testing _grin_Thanks for the link.
I was using "normal" and will give it a shot with SSE 2. I'm using a Northwood CPU
Regards
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