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In Reply to: I have collections of sports cards, comic books and guns.... posted by Chris Garrett on July 03, 2000 at 22:37:07:

I've never reloaded. I would like to, primarily .45 ACP. Any suggestions for a beginner? Go ahead and buy a progressive like the Dillion 550 or start out with something cheap and simple like a lee single stage or turret press?

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Re: so any suggestions... Victor Khomenko 12:35:08 07/05/00 (9)
***I've never reloaded. I would like to, primarily .45 ACP. Any suggestions for a beginner? Go ahead and buy a progressive like the Dillion 550 or start out with something cheap and simple like a lee single stage or turret press?
How many rounds you use per month?
If any number over 500, then you WILL move to a progressive soon. You will definitely replace your single-stage. In such case save money, and buy a Dillon right away. 550 is a fine machine, but if you stretch just a bit more, then the 650 very well may be the last machine that you would have to buy. It can go slow or fast and is very versatile. You can buy just the base machine and learn, then add the accessories.
rec.guns is full of advice and discussions on reloading.
- Re: so any suggestions... MikeP 13:01:39 07/05/00 (8)
  Thanks Victor. I'm averaging around 300 rounds per month, but a big chunk of those are .22's. I have a Ruger Single Six I use to practice with, mostly working on obtaining the sights rapidly. Plus its just a fun gun to shoot. Ok they all are fun to shoot. I also have a Ciener conversion for my 1911 which I just bought fairly cheap. I'd prefer to shoot more .45's which is why I started looking into reloading. I doubt I'll ever shoot more than 500 rounds per month on average. Probably more like the current 300 or maybe eventually 400. I also shoot .357 mag and 9mm.
  I shoot in my back yard which is convenient, and my neighbors are cool, but I don't want to over do it. Just like I don't mind if their dogs go on a barking jag occasionally, but I don't want to listen to it every night. So I usually limit myself to between 50-100 rounds per session, a couple of times a week.
  One buddy suggested I start with a single stage, while another said no, no, no start with a progressive, you'll end up there anyway. Hmmm.....
  - Chris is right Victor Khomenko 13:13:02 07/05/00 (7)
    ***Thanks Victor. I'm averaging around 300 rounds per month, but a big chunk of those are .22's. I have a Ruger Single Six I use to practice with, mostly working on obtaining the sights rapidly. Plus its just a fun gun to shoot. Ok they all are fun to shoot. I also have a Ciener conversion for my 1911 which I just bought fairly cheap. I'd prefer to shoot more .45's which is why I started looking into reloading. I doubt I'll ever shoot more than 500 rounds per month on average.
    Oh, man, are you wrong! As soon as you get that reloader you will tripple that monthly volume! Trust me on that one! You will get three times the fun for the same price. More practice - great thing if you have time.
    Those are wrong who buy the reloaders to save money - your expense WILL go up, but your fun index will far outstrip it.
    Chris is VERY right when he says the reloading is thing in itself - it IS a lot of fun.
    ***Probably more like the current 300 or maybe eventually 400. I also shoot .357 mag and 9mm.
    I shoot in my back yard which is convenient, and my neighbors are cool, but I don't want to over do it. Just like I don't mind if their dogs go on a barking jag occasionally, but I don't want to listen to it every night. So I usually limit myself to between 50-100 rounds per session, a couple of times a week.
    That does sound cool, but if you care for my advice, consider all those liability implications, and find a good club. I have one where you get the key to facility within fifteen minutes from here, and it is a great peace of mind. But of course, that is just me.
    ***One buddy suggested I start with a single stage, while another said no, no, no start with a progressive, you'll end up there anyway. Hmmm.....
    As I said before, the second guy is right. And again, Chris is right, the machine itself is only a part of the overall expense. Like in high-end audio, there is no shortage of accessories and tools.
    - Re: Chris is right MikeP 14:48:32 07/05/00 (6)
      "Oh, man, are you wrong!"
      HAHAHAHAHAHA. You're probably right!
      "...but if you care for my advice, consider all those liability implications..."
      I may eventually join a club. I'm not too worried about liablility. My property slopes gently down to the edge of a ravine where it makes a 20 foot vertical drop. It then shoots up at about a 2:1 to the top of the next ridge which is 40 -50 feet above my head from my shooting position. I own to the top of the ridge and there are no houses in that direction at all. The neighbors are to my left and right, at greater than 90 degrees from my direction of aim and several hundred feet away. The other neighbor is across the street at 180 degrees. I always check to see if there are any trespassers before i shoot. Still your point is well taken.
      - That is good... Victor Khomenko 15:48:56 07/05/00 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Chris is right posted by MikeP on July 05, 2000 at 14:48:32:
        
        ***I always check to see if there are any trespassers before i shoot.
        Yeah, I see. You make sure someone is there before wasting your bullet.
        I'd say that is pretty reasonable... :-)
        
        I suppose... MikeP 17:00:14 07/05/00 (4)
        
        In Reply to: That is good... posted by Victor Khomenko on July 05, 2000 at 15:48:56:
        
        I could have worded that better :-)
        
        Nothing beats a light and friendly laughter Victor Khomenko 19:39:35 07/05/00 (3)
        
        In Reply to: I suppose... posted by MikeP on July 05, 2000 at 17:00:14:
        
        Thanks for that, Mike.
        
        ...except the sound of a plugged trespasser hitting the dirt :) (nt) Bill Leebens 22:18:29 07/05/00 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Nothing beats a light and friendly laughter posted by Victor Khomenko on July 05, 2000 at 19:39:35:
        
        nt
        
        But if he falls and there is no one around to hear it... ??? Victor Khomenko 07:08:19 07/06/00 (1)
        
        In Reply to: ...except the sound of a plugged trespasser hitting the dirt :) (nt) posted by Bill Leebens on July 05, 2000 at 22:18:29:
        
        Does that mean some digging the next night?
        
        No digging needed if it's a hog lot! (GROSS!) (nt) Bill Leebens 11:37:54 07/06/00 (0)
        
        In Reply to: But if he falls and there is no one around to hear it... ??? posted by Victor Khomenko on July 06, 2000 at 07:08:19:
        
        nt
Well, when I researched them four years ago..... Chris Garrett 12:30:15 07/05/00 (6)
I ended up with the RL550b due to cost and ease of changing the
die plates, one can remove them easily and keep the settings in
tact. I have 6 or so set up for .40 S&W, .357, .45 ACP, .223 Rem.,
.308, and 9mm. The RL 650 is a bit trickier and is more expensive, more for the massive commercial reloader. The RL550b can crank out
500 rounds an hour quite easily and Dillon's customer service is
to be envied. Hornady, LEE, and RCBS all make nice progressives, but the Dillon was where I spent my money.
There are a lot of ancillaries in reloading, so figure on spending two
or even three times the price of the press (RL550b= $326 in June catalog) for things like dies, converter plates, scales, case priming tools, loading blocks etc. It's a blast however! Nice solitary hobby
apart from actually capping them off when all is said and done.
If you want, I can mail you this catalog, email me your addy. Or Dillon's number is 800-762-3845 or www.dillonprecision.com
Take care, Chris
- Re: Well, when I researched them four years ago..... MikeP 13:06:35 07/05/00 (5)
  Thanks for the offer Chris. I have a Dillion catalog I picked up at a local shop and have been to their website. Everybody I've talked to that has a Dillion can't say enough good things about them. Of course RCBS and Hornaday are known for good products also. Decisions, decisions.
  - Re: Well, when I researched them four years ago..... Victor Khomenko 13:17:59 07/05/00 (4)
    ***Thanks for the offer Chris. I have a Dillion catalog I picked up at a local shop and have been to their website. Everybody I've talked to that has a Dillion can't say enough good things about them. Of course RCBS and Hornaday are known for good products also. Decisions, decisions.
    I have a Hornady too, and there is no comparisson - Dillon eats it for lunch. Except those super-shitty Dillon primer pick-up tubes and idiotic primer flip-up trays (a silly solution to the self-inflicted problem). These need to be tossed right away and replaced with the Hornady brass tubes - there is none finer. You will not need those trays with Hornady tubes. Otherwise, easy decision.
    I have no experience with RCBS progressives. Do they even make them?
    - RCBS MikeP 14:39:12 07/05/00 (3)
      I have no experience with RCBS progressives. Do they even make them?
      They make one that they've been advertising, but I don't know anything about that particuler press.
      - Mike, a pic for you Victor Khomenko 11:53:26 07/06/00 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RCBS posted by MikeP on July 05, 2000 at 14:39:12:
        
        Does this answer your questions?
        
        Victor, you da man! MikeP 14:14:59 07/06/00 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Mike, a pic for you posted by Victor Khomenko on July 06, 2000 at 11:53:26:
        
        Please move to Missouri. The house next door is for sale. I just love neighbors with cool stuff :-)
        
        God bless America! Chris Garrett 12:12:03 07/06/00 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Mike, a pic for you posted by Victor Khomenko on July 06, 2000 at 11:53:26:
        
        That picture brings a tear to my eye.
        Chris

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