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Re: Having use full range electrostats for thirty years

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In Reply to: Having use full range electrostats for thirty years posted by E-Stat on March 27, 2007 at 17:39:15:

The man who was over is a PURE FULLRANGE Electrostatic fan, and to him the Grand beats it in resolution, dynamics, soundstaging, imaging etc.. and is the same for integration. You asume what you dont, and cannot know! Please stop that, either fly to an owner and try the speaker, do not "asume" things.

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I know of Morricab's system - E-Stat 18:15:36 03/27/07 (17)
I used Acoustats like he has for twenty seven years and know their limitations well.
My opinion is based upon hearing a number of ribbon hybrids over the past twenty five years such as the Infinity IRS, Genesis One, and the Nola Grand Reference. Great bass, but not entirely coherent with the ribbons. To each his own.
I trust they're great speakers, but I would most likely switch the woofers off.
rw
- Re: I know of Morricab's system - sogood 19:37:50 03/27/07 (0)
  It sounds like the Diva is nearly a match for the big IRS
  - http://www.apogeespeakers.com/reviews/a_search_for_the_ultimate_speaker_bestofaudio.htm (Open in New Window)
- Thats because - Tim 18:21:44 03/27/07 (15)
  you have not heard them, dont understand (because you dont know)the technolgy in this speaker and "asume" too much.
  - I guess that makes both of us, Florian - E-Stat 18:26:50 03/27/07 (14)
    When was the last time you heard U-1/U-1Bs?
    You try too hard to impress others. Relax. I was the same as you twenty five years ago. :)
    rw
    - This is not about a U1 - Tim 18:31:55 03/27/07 (13)
      This aint about a U1, i dont own U1's ;-) When was the last time you heard an Apogee Grand? I am only here because Muralman made a link to the "Apogee Forum" and i feel like people with no knowledge in this speaker are making comments on it. I shouldnt care, but i do.
      I would like for people to only post facts from first hand experience and no specualtion. Otherwise i have no interest in this forum.
      -Flo
      - Facts... - Brian Walsh 19:06:48 03/27/07 (5)
        
        In Reply to: This is not about a U1 posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 18:31:55:
        
        I have heard several of the larger Apogee designs over the years. No, not the Grands nor the Full Ranges. But I have a pretty good idea what they do from listening to the others. I've heard many other planar speakers over the years, from Genesis 1s to Nola Grand Exotica References to Martin Logan Statement E2s.
        Like E-Stat, I owned Acoustat 2+2s in the past. I've also owned Quad ESLs (still do) and Audiostatics, and I currently own Dayton Wrights in addition to Sound Lab U-1s.
        As mentioned in another post of mine to this thread, I've heard the U-1/UB-1 system pictured in E-Stat's post many times, so I know the capabilities.
        The Sound Labs remain my reference by a significant margin. I say this not because I'm a dealer, but rather because I purchased the speakers as a consumer and because I believed in the speakers and the company so much , not the other way around, I asked to become a dealer for them. I apologize to readers if this sounds self promotional. But when you find something that makes you happy and lets you relax with your favorite music hour after hour, you stay with it.
        Tim, you might want to take a few deep breaths :-) I don't think anyone's trying to attack you or Apogee. I promise if you come to Chicago I'll treat you to dinner and will try to arrange a demo of the U-1/UB-1 system for you, in addition to letting you hear the system here. You'd be a better person for it, I assure you. I enjoy sharing my passion for good music reproduced well.
        
        Best regards,
        
        Ok.... your a dealer - Tim 19:10:50 03/27/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Facts... posted by Brian Walsh on March 27, 2007 at 19:06:48:
        
        I do like Soundlabs, but i considered them and bought the Grands which is MIGHTY differet from a FR extremely different "sound wise" from a Diva :-)
        
        You seem to - Tim 19:08:28 03/27/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Facts... posted by Brian Walsh on March 27, 2007 at 19:06:48:
        
        be a dealer?
        Rest asured, i considered Soundlabs, and not the U1 but the Prostat ;-)
        
        Indeed the Prostats are cheaper - E-Stat 19:27:26 03/27/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: You seem to posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 19:08:28:
        
        since they do not use the heavy spiked steel frame responsible for the U-1s bass response. Similarly, the 45 degree panels would likely not work as well as the 90 degree panels in your room.
        rw
        
        Your post begs the question... - Brian Walsh 19:24:07 03/27/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You seem to posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 19:08:28:
        
        Where and when did you hear the ProStats? Or at least I assume you heard the ProStats...
        
        Best regards,
        
        Since you haven't answered my question... - Brian Walsh 05:31:41 03/29/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Your post begs the question... posted by Brian Walsh on March 27, 2007 at 19:24:07:
        
        I must assume that you did not audition the ProStats. Under such circumstances, I see no rational reason for your remarks about them.
        
        Best regards,
      - Thanks for answering my question - E-Stat 18:44:17 03/27/07 (6)
        
        In Reply to: This is not about a U1 posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 18:31:55:
        
        Each of us has a different set of experiences and with differing preferences. To each his own. I first heard the Infinity IRS ribbon hybrid before you were born.
        So, now that you've heard the Sphinx amps, are all the Krells going on ebay tomorrow?
        rw
        
        well - Tim 18:53:14 03/27/07 (5)
        
        In Reply to: Thanks for answering my question posted by E-Stat on March 27, 2007 at 18:44:17:
        
        The Krell is already sold :-) IRS Betas are nice but your asuming that the Grand is 3 ribbons on a subwoofer....and well....your wrong if you do :-)
        
        Who said anything about Infinity Betas? - E-Stat 18:59:51 03/27/07 (4)
        
        In Reply to: well posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 18:53:14:
        
        I was referring to The Infinity Reference System.
        ...asuming that the Grand is 3 ribbons on a subwoofer....and well....your wrong if you do.
        For clarification, just how many ribbons does the Grand have atop its subwoofer?
        rw
        
        IRS-V - Tim 19:03:11 03/27/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: Who said anything about Infinity Betas? posted by E-Stat on March 27, 2007 at 18:59:51:
        
        It has two ribbons and a advanced planar magnetic with motion sensors that synchronize the woofer panel with the subwoofer. Like i said, write me with your number and i will glady explain the system to you.
        
        You answered the question - E-Stat 19:16:19 03/27/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: IRS-V posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 19:03:11:
        
        two ribbons and a planar atop the two woofers.
        Back in 1979, the IRS used servo controls on its twelve woofers driven by three kilowatts of amplification. Great bass. Great midrange and top. But it sounded like two speakers.
        rw
        
        And - Tim 19:17:29 03/27/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: You answered the question posted by E-Stat on March 27, 2007 at 19:16:19:
        
        And because of that the Grand suffers from this too right?
        
        I will return to my original comments - E-Stat 19:38:53 03/27/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: And posted by Tim on March 27, 2007 at 19:17:29:
        
        Having heard several state-of-the-art dipole ribbon/ monopole dynamic woofer hybrids over the past thirty years, I find their differing radiation patterns less coherent than what is possible with a single driver. Concert drums are particularly demanding in that regard since their range spans across multiple drivers in most systems.
        Every speaker system has tradeoffs. All of them. We make our choice based upon which one(s) most closely fit our preferences.
        Good luck on your new amplifier choices. You might want to try some tubes on the mid/top.
        rw

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