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In Reply to: What timing! I'm building about the same thing. I'm using SonicCraft 6-1/2"ers... posted by jeffreybehr on November 5, 2006 at 23:38:40:
Hope you didn't give up on the ET 8a, mine are breaking in very nicely.
Nice work on your new speakers,where are your x-over points?
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...and I guess I lusted for more of that triode sound, in the form of SETs. The new JG6517s (that's Jeff Glowacki for the driver designer, 65 for the main-driver size, and 17 for the driver count per channel).So I have a pair of new-version ASL AQ1006/845s on the way (if DT ever ships them, that is), and soon the 'Canes and the ET8s will be for sale.
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Jeffrey,ETs treble is not inherently "hard", it usually reveals recording or equipment/cabling problems, or better said incompatibility.
I did not beleve it, but AQ Bedrock (that is typically considered smooth) had some upper range roughness. I accredited it first to the amp, than to speakers.
Fortunatelly I like to play with cables, so I tried Kimber 4TC (that many complain as being bright) and roughness is absolutely gone, smoooth but still detailed.
Hey Stale,
Biwire, 4TC on panels, Siltech Paris on bass.
While I was waiting for my ETs I heard a 2way bookself with duel subs and a pair of super tweeters all hooked up to a beautiful 25 watt set amp, I loved it.
Made me really think about my choice of a hard to drive speaker.
But I sure am having alot of fun and enjoying my ETs.
Good luck on your new venture.
...and I do NOT like that with the music I listen to.Except for the lack of macrodynamics, I was happy with my 8s being driven by the 'Canes in triode...but for that slight treble hardness I couldn't tame. Oh well.
BTW, with the more-sensitive speakers, orchestral ('crash') cymbals sort of explode out of the orchestra with the best (SACD) recordings.
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you went into print as their greatest-ever advocate!! :-))I forget whether you've owned Maggies but perhaps when you've "recovered" from this "create your own speaker" virus, you might like to get cosy with some Maggies and start to enjoy your music!! LOL!!
Regards,
...all this while.Only Mags I owned were decades ago; we bought them for the bass panels to accompany Strathern mag.-planar drivers.
And don't preach to me about enjoying the music with Mags; seems EVERYONE can hardly get them into the house before they're ripping out wiring, fuses, crossovers, etc. Said another way, Mags are PROJECTS...and that's OK; obviously, I too like projects. :-)
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In my case, an on-going (and probably never-ending) project! :-))I look at it this way ... Magnepan's engineering philosophy mean that I can aquire a speaker that is capable of tremendous sound for a very reasonable cost. But there's a lot you have to do to them to get them to deliver their best! :-))
Good luck with your multiple-driver project.
Regards,
Just for the record...sold his Quad 989s for the ET-8s as I recall.As someone else suggested below, you have to take care in feeding the 8s correctly; the rewards can be tremendous! The speakers in my system are my least expensive component, I've had cables that retail for more.
For those who have stock ET-8s...(it's been my experience)The sometimes "treble-hardness" can be mostly tamed(and quite livable with) if one sets the mid/hi panel to the medium setting and doesn't ask the speaker to play above its means.
On really good SACDs I find the hi setting just fantastic but unfortunately not all digital has been created equal. Would have been nice if Bruce would have included a toggle switch for easier changes between settings but then again not at the expense of the magic.
treble-hardness?...then again I have tubes everywhere ( dac and int amp) and have forgiving cables...oh well.
SACDs produced from DSD are so much better than CDs on a speaker like the ETs that we are talking about a whole new universe. I've listened to a lot of stuff and little comes close. The only other reproduction similar to it was a Mobile Fidelity LP through big tube amps on very large Acoustats. The ET's can not match the enveloping effect of the Acoustats, but all the other attributes of smoothness and natural reporduction are there.Jeff's approach could be related to a reproduction of a painting. The reproduction is missing something so he proposes to look at it through frosted glass rather than seek out the original.
I chose to follow a different path.
...of the line-array, dipole, open-baffle systems exhibit that hardness, even when all channels and 'ends' are driven by the humble Outlaw 770, so we'll hear what we hear.
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