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In Reply to: Dogs posted by plantsman on April 17, 2007 at 02:42:26:
I live next door to a single MUM, with 3 kids, 5 or less cats, and a 'blue heeler cross' bitch that is a complete PITA, barking over nothing and NOT happy.Her FW parents bought the dog for her, and I'm not at all sure she's been spayed.
"The boys HAVE to have a dog!", "Kids need a dog!" well bulltwang, especially NOT a an ACDog.
This dog is never exercised, and is NOT trained.
I love BC's and BH's and I know people who've made a success of them as companion pets.
But, they are ACTIVE people mind, and actively engaged with their dogs, who go to activities every weekend.
OTOH most suburbs have way too many 'free-range-disaster' dogs.
I'm a bike rider and I KNOW, okay?
I used to carry a good Swiss bike-tyre-pump that had a nice halberd-style head - if you noticed it! I did after being bitten quite badly and unneccesarily. I then crried the nasty little bastrad to its owner, and told HIM that I intended to sue his are off for not having his DOG under control. I had and still have no guilt at all in using the pumps head on any dog that was danger to me, or my pedals/clips, to turn IT off bothering ME, ever again, at least.
Australia has way too many 'unsuitable dog' owners, IME! Most of them are not up to bringing up their own kids, IMO.
We are working on it here in the ACT, mind. You can't have an unspayed dogs unless you are a registered and approved breeder - all dogs must be registered WITH their reproductive status.
NB Most cat owners are NO better, we live inside a nature reserve and manage to keep both our cats indoors from before dusk to after dawn. The LEAST we can do. Several families near us just do NOT bother!
I spend a lot more time than I'd LIKE, biting my tongue!
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
Follow Ups:
This is an inevitable consequence when folk of strong opinions are located in the company of folk of limited intelligence and even less consideration for others, so don't bother yourself overmuch about that, Timbo!...I heartily applaud the efforts of yourself and others in underlining the reflection that - whilst dogs from working breeds can be the most rewarding in terms of feedback to their owners - since such dogs often REQUIRE both intensive and consistent excercise and mental challenge as well as human contact, they may make VERY POOR house-pets...
I have lost count of the number of young mothers who - having been charmed by Cassie or her predecessor Jess - I have had to go out of my way to persuade that since the family attention will need to go to the children that there would very probably be nowhere near enough time or energy left to cope with the demands of an active Border Collie, Springer Spaniel, etc...
One breed I have found to be a very good family dog is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which routinely adores children and is willing to be poked, have it's ears and/or tail pulled, etc with genial forbearance, and genially wait for kids to climb on to it's back so that it can carry them across the living-room carpet... They can, however, be somewhat "iffy" with other dogs, though...
and, apart from being THE most stupid, incompetent, and ineveterate 'would-be cat killer' I have known, among dogs that is!, 'Loekie' is still the biggest wuss-bag of a dog I have EVER known!Because I have gone out of my way to love him, he always comes to me at fambly gatherings, plonks himeslf beside ME and whimpers whenever I get up for replenishments or whatever until I return when he whimpers and thumps his tiny little tail.
As he also has a habit of noisily / obviously 'humping legs', it is fortunate that he only does this to females! THE one thing I'd love to be able to direct him to do!!!!! ;-)!
Immensely loveable dogs - unlike ordinary BT's!!! IME&0.
Touchingly LONGGG memories for friends too IME. I have hunted BIG feral pigs with Staffies and they can be incredibly brave!
I have known 5 of these dogs well.
You know Bill, for someone who PREFERS cats, I think I don't do too badly on the understanding/liking dogs front!
Even the ones, like Jass next door, who are PITA, I still care about them.
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
The straight-nosed English Bull Terriers I have met have been stroppy and aggressive, and a real challenge for the owner to establish a permanent dominance...One of the very few fights to the death I have witnessed (and could do nothing about since both dogs had gone "berserk") was between an English Bull Terrier and a very stroppy Dobe/Rott cross... The Dobe/Rott cross was the fatality, possibly because even when it was obviously no longer able to either attack or defend itself, the EBT was still in a killing rage, and we simply could not keep it from continually savaging the injured dog... It did not bother to try to go round us, it went through us with an unpleasant implacability just to be able to inflict yet another tearing bite on the other dog...
As you may have guessed, I would NOT recommend the English Bull Terrier breed as a family pet!...
Staffordshire Terriers and the closely related breeds have been demonized in the U.S.. They are actually illegal to own in some localities. It also can be quite difficult to get homeowners liability insurance here short of policy that specifically excludes the dog if you own one. The problem also extends to Rotweillers although to a lesser extent. I would agree that these are lovely dogs in the hands of a proper but their reputation as "tough dogs" has made them popular with people who should never own an animal of any sort. Bad owners can ruin any dog.
huming beans!, we ain't what we crack ourselves up to be, eh?
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
along with the greyhound - 'adopted' I ween.A Beagle is also a possibility.
I've gunned over a pair of Beagle, rabbitting in open / blackberry-bush country.
The female of this 'entire' pair, would also retrieve the bunnies, and was unerring about 'whose' each one was.
How she knew how to prop / stop -'before entering the shot-pattern zone - I will NEVER figure out!
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
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