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In Reply to: This looks like fun... posted by sherod on April 13, 2007 at 21:41:16:
;-)!
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
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They don't mind being called Indians but calling them Sioux won't win you any friends. Sioux means snake in the language of their old enemies the Ojibwa/Anishinaabe.
didn't they do 'the sun-dance'!?
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
Where I'm from (eastern South Dakota and Minnesota) the tribes are Dakota but in West River South Dakota (west of the Missouri) and eastern Wyoming and Montana the tribes are Lakota. All these groups perform the Sun Dance and I think the Cheyenne do as well.
I was invited to a Sun Dance years ago (not as a participant). Some of the guys who have done it multiple times have some pretty impressive scars! No one is actually lifted up, they jerk free by throwing themselves backwards (away from the pole). There is a fairly wide variation in how far the skewers go in. Some people insert them deep into their chest muscles. I don't even want to think about what tearing those out must feel like.
There had been increasing numbers of Indian wantabe white guys showing up. For a few years they let them dance but eventually they stopped that. The Indians find that phenomena very curious.
I committed a minor social faux pas when we went. The teen aged daughter of a close family friend was one of the maidens and I referred to them as "young women" and immediately got called on it. Apparently they have to be virgins so they are girls or maidens NOT women.
It was an honor to be invited and totally due to my mother's good standing rather than any merit of my own.
I've been fortunate enough to know well some of the leaders of our aborigines.At first? just because my Mum and Dad gave a shit about the world, and they knew some of the first few leaders and two of the 'early to the fray' white politicians, who saw that a lot was sickeningly wrong even before the 60's.
Kim Beazley Sr, Billy Wentworth from t'other side of politics, and etc. As their group - Moral Re Armament - was international we met lots of diffrent shades from all over!
There was one part-aboriginal family at our high-school and I was kinda rivetted by Janice of that mob. Her bro was a damned feisty young man, I played football together, he was VERY good at it, too! J was gorgeous, but I didn't dare, not then, she was always kinda giggling at me!!! ages later - {;~)} ...... (Silly old ME, eh?) BLTNever but.
Later as a uni-student, I joined ABSCHOL and helped out at the (1st?) FCAATSI conference held at the ANU. Federal C? of Australian Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders. Got into trouble with my reserve unit CO, I wore my greatcoat to a winter night-vigil demo!!
Oldest continuous culure on the planet didja know? Possibly going back here in Aussie about 40,000 years. As close to 'the noble savage' of Rousseau as possible I ween, deep attachment to THEIR terroire. And
trade-routes crossing the entire country! bugger all warfare, strict control over violence, with recognition of the impact on families and groups. And although they did come eventually significantly modify/impact on the ecology, they still did touch the ground lightly cf US!Eg. We none of us now know what a 'kangaroo' was to the Ngunawahl native to around Canberra. This was the word of ONE of the Sydney area tribes name for the common Eastern Grey Kangaroo species.
Many languages and hundreds of dialects, totem groups, incredibly beautiful and deep creation stories and moral tales, with mostly minor variations.
Tah fer the story! maaaate!?
WarmestTimbo in Oz
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio ScroungerAnd gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
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