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In Reply to: Beltian effects posted by Sommovigo on April 18, 2007 at 10:08:12:
that putting pics in your freezer or pieces of tape with something scrawled on them atop your speakers changes the listener? I hardly think this kind of thing equates with ambience of restaurants (as mentioned below). Somehow I doubt any of the world's best chefs place pics of food critics in their bistro's freezer or pieces of tape with "Lobster bisque>delicious" on their pots in hopes of influencing the taste buds of food critics.
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Whatever ritual a person goes through or is otherwise exposed to has the ability to alter their perceptions. So - if the ritual of putting apicture in the freezer works on the mind, or if pieces of tape with scrawlings works on the mind ... even if the rituals are superficial, the effect on the mind is real.See: Christian Science Healing
%22In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.%22 - Yogi Berra
What Mr. Clark heard was so real that, even in a blind test, he was easily able to determine the effect of that tweak on the sound of his system.He could also easily tell when no tweak was in place.
No placebo effect there, he heard nothing from placebo and heard "correctly" during the test.
I don't see how Mr. Clark was affected by a pre-existing "belief" on this trial.
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I don't have an answer for that - just suspicions about how things may operate. Science is a process, a journey ... not a destination.
%22In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.%22 - Yogi Berra
My hunch is that this is somehow related to horses that can do math.;)
Since he has already easily passed a blind test why was he too gutless to accept Randi's $1,000,000 challenge?
If you think that moron Randi would ever pass over $1,000,000 to anyone then you really ought to invest (heavily) in Belt tweaks because there's a near certainy that they will work a charm for you.
You are a hoser.
Forget about the JREF Challenge as being real. It is NOT a honest to goodness opportunity. You should know better by now BTW. If you need help with this, feel free to write. I do have proof you know.FWIW, I consulted Clark Johnsen, Geoff Kait, and Steve Eddy about the advisability of applying for the JREF Challenge way back when. Clark and Geoff advised against it, portraying the Challenge as it turned out to be in reality. Steve Eddy considered it a legitimate enterprise at the time, but changed his opinion after witnessing JREF's treatment of me during my time there.
Perceptions can of course be altered by many things. Its not hard to understand that one's overall mood during or immediately prior to listening to music can affect perception, as could general ambience. But even if someone is (IMO) so susceptible to suggestion that they are convinced putting a pic of themselves in their freezer makes listening to their system more satisfying, what would happen if unbeknownst to him/her, while they're listening the freezer went on the blink? Or someone took the pic out of the freezer and put it in the oven? All of a sudden the music would sound less satisfying? This seems to be similar to what Clark is saying about the tape thing, which I find silly.What about unlacing shoe laces on sneakers in your closet? Turning a salt shaker upside down prior to listening? Putting purple lipstick on your dog? Think the Belts performed exhaustive experiments before deciding the pic in freezer or writing on tape worked best?
As far as I can tell, the essence of what May Belt always has to say amounts to a challenge to prove a negative, and a statement of the obvious -- science can't explain everything, and scientific dogma has been shown to be wrong in the past. If you choose to believe wearing one orange sock and one green sock makes Sibelius sound better it has no negative effect on me. But I'll catch the Belts later. Much later.
Bad Acid
=)
%22In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.%22 - Yogi Berra
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...isn't all acid 'bad'?
Well, can't say ... I've never partaken as I've been worried what it might unleash.=)
%22In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.%22 - Yogi Berra
Now you're talking... I'm going straight to the cosmetics counter after work. Wait, I don't have a dog... will this tweak work if you put the lipstick on a cat instead? Wait, my cat doesn't have any lips! Crap!
Once you get the specially treated lipstick, you can apply it to a picture of a dog and it will still work.Hope that helps.
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