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In Reply to: look who made your ply before you buy posted by Kloss on April 5, 2007 at 06:40:45:
It's the only thing I use. Chinese and U.S. (for the last
30 years or so) plys are pure S**t. Sorry, but it's what I see.
What a sad state of affairs...
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Sad for you that you are unaware of the realities of what most U.S. plywood is made for: construction. Just visit the American Plywood Associaton site and you will see that. American furniture has always been long on solid wood unlike in Europe where, since WW II, plywood furniture with exposed end plies has been the norm.Baltic Birch and its variants are peculiarily European just like the 32mm cabinet system which stem from the shortage of hardwood and the need to quickly re-build after WW II.
There is very high quality hardwood plywood available in the U.S. but it is little known to consumers because of availability only through wholesalers that cater to the cabinet and furniture building trade and its relatively high (to construction grade) cost.
To say that all U.S. plywood is poor quality is an uninformed opinion.
"...In research as in life one is far more likely to find what one looks for than what one neglects."
-The Modern Researcher; Jacques Barzun & Henry Graff
Harcourt Brace Jovanovitch, Inc. third edition 1977
nonsustainably and difficult to find does not strike me as anything
to be proud of or to celebrate --you can keep it.Furthermore, using so much ply for concrete forms is generally a
wasteful practice which squanders finite resources, and so that's
little excuse either.I'll take the solid, qualiy, affordable, sustainably harvested/farmed
option, thank you --Baltic birch ply.So, where is the ignorance???
"nonsustainably and difficult to find"The hardwood plywood I'm referring to is mainly Oak, Walnut and Birch which the U.S. has in abundance and available by the trainload from Weyerhauser and Georgia-Pacific among others.
"Furthermore, using so much ply for concrete forms is generally a
wasteful practice which squanders finite resources, and so that's
little excuse either."Almost no one uses other than metal forms for pouring concrete. Of course, you're reaching there because you well know I was referring to construction grade manufactured wood as sheathing, structural and underlayment. All uses that preserve resources and lower costs.
"I'll take the solid, qualiy, affordable, sustainably harvested/farmed option, thank you ..."
So will we. That's why millions of acres are planted with conifers every year and "old growth" hardwood trees are harvested under strict controls. No "old growth" forest owner, including the Interior Department wants to see this resource depleted.
"I'll take ... sustainably harvested/farmed
option, thank you --Baltic birch ply."So will I, when building speakers, as I already pointed out. But being an ideologue, you never miss a chance to get on your anti-American Soapbox.
You're absolutely right on. Here in the Pacific Northwest logging is a major industry that my family has been involved with for well over a hundred years. It was known by the start of the 20th century that the forests couldn't be indefinitely logged without being replanted. It was in the major logging companies best interests to see that replacement (replanting) take place as they were in it for the long run. The small outfits and gippo's didn't have the interest nor the ability to pursue this. All this took place without European style Socialism and the Big-Brother Paternalism that the so-called liberal elements find so attractive today. There have been many instances in the logging industry where quick profits have been bypassed in an effort to do what would be best for all concerned, including the workers (Marx got that wrong as well!). While the stories of robber barons makes for a great stereotype, and there were a few, the majority of companies were run by honest, hardworking people that weren't too good to get in and share the work (and the dangers) out in the woods.
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