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In Reply to: Wizzer cone question posted by jwr159 on March 10, 2007 at 23:29:59:
Never heard shout in non lowthers, the lowther shout is all lowther;)and the new model lowthers dont have much problem with it.FYI fullranges are availible without wizzers Fostex fe208e sigma -f200a f120a, fx120, fe126e, fe127e, Tangband makes a few, Jordons have no wizzer,nor do PHY,Supravox others about. I perfer fostex drivers over lowther[YMMV] after owning, 2-pm4a new cone, 1 pm4a old cone,1 pair new dx4,heard so many over the years some of my local audio buds have other models of lowther not all DIY one has rethems top model from a few years back.Heard or built most lowther cabinet designs.Lowthers are good but costly and I feel not as advanced as some compition Lowther make pretty much the same product every year,not that this is bad if product is great, but I feel there a sleep at the wheel like the english did back in the 60s late 70s with motorcycles which I enjoy but where far behind hondas of the day.Happy the english are back making motorcycles they based them on kawsaki but to give them credit they moved past this and where smart enofe to know they needed to do so. Fostex engineers at foster bring out exciting new designs almost every year.And for the cost of a set of lowthers one could purchase 2 fostex t500amk2, 2 fe206esr or fe208e sigmas too me a much better sounding combo.
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Thank you for the reply. That is helpful. I was concerned that maybe all wizzers cones have this problem. Apparetly not. T
Some Fostex do shout IMO, but I think cab desighn & all that has alot to do with it..so really not fair I suppose to say a absolute on the driver.I use a Calrad 12ae 12" alnico in OB in a bedroom system & it has no shout ....I have had many Fullrangers that have NO wizzer & shout like crazy... like some Saba's...etc..
Sorry John
I respectfully disagree with your Lowther -Fostex comparison (albeit it is based solely on front Azura horn loading )There is simply no comparison between DX4 and 208EZ-(plus EV-T350).I know it is cheaper to build with Fostex and it will sound good but personally I'd take one very good speaker over five just OK. Fostex is very good driver for the money no doubt but substituting it with Lowther makes you forget it the very same minute. Regards, L
My data sets in both cases are small, but the standard error is low in both cases as well :-) I've heard Lowthers sound scary good on choral SACD's (Gregorian chant) but basically unlistenable on highly-processed "pop" music (e.g., Hendrix) on vinyl.The Fostexes are honest enough, but still keep most things listenable. Since I like to listen to music, not equipment, they seem like a far better real-world value.
I have, and use, a pair of FE-207E's in bass reflex cabinets (built by Bottlehead DaveJ here in Massachusetts).
Here's another nice sounding FR driver with a whizzer...
Nice pictures, cool speakers!Regarding highly processed pop music (like Hendrix) and Lowthers: it can sound damn good, given the right speaker.
One of the worst ruckuses (ruckii?) I ever heard was Jimi on vinyl on apair of AlNiCo Lowthers in HUGE back horns. Absolutely painful and one-dimensional to boot.I do believe that Jimi might, on rare occasion, have used some artifical sound-processing stimulation. :-)
A fe208e sigma needs a tweeter where dx4 can be used without my comparison was t500amk2 with fe208esigma to dx4 this is the same price and to me far better performing combo.I much perfer the trebile responce of a proper horn tweeter like fostex t series over any fullrangers trebile responce which to me sounds rough, ragged, lacking in fine details. If you havent heard the new t500 amk2 with fe206esr or fe208e compared to a dx4.Then I dont see how your fe208e with EV would give anywhere near the same results.But when it comes down to it if you enjoy your lowthers thats all that matters.And I have tried many drivers in azuras my best combo at the time was old t500a-t900a used both and f200a [link below ]the f200a is wonderful in front horns like azura and oris but only arround 96db this does make matching horn to bass system much easyer so might be a good thing whole system would run off my 1 300b without biamping.In my azuras and oris I have run lowther pm4a, both style cones,AER, dx4, f200a ,fe206e, fe206esr, fe208e sigmas, beta tested many hemp cones [a few of these are availible in mass market] Moths sure Iam forgeting someone. Take care and happy horn listening
I don't know how to call this type of design operating 6+ octaves and crossing at cutoff frequency with hornloading starting maybe at 400 Hz. Your horn on the link seems small to me to be Azura is it Oris 200?? I don't think I can hear much above 14k so 15k EV-T350 is fine for me. I think the main difference is in tonal quality of Lowther speaker. You're right about wizer cone. Regards. L
Thats a azura 204 not old oris 200, bass horn comes in at 250hz.Bass horns over 8ft might of thrown your size and crossover estimites far off;)
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