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In Reply to: Cabinet recommendations for Altec 515 drivers welcome. posted by Addicted on February 20, 2007 at 04:47:10:
Helloi have played around with altec horns and woofers for some time and here are my observations.
1. Since you have parts you want to build from, I wont suggest
the Model 19. But try to hear this so you can use it as your
reference on balance. Your A5 when done right
should have this balance but with better midbass.
2. the 500 xover point lends naturally to a midrange
emphasis which is a bit hard to balance. i found the 800 point
easier to work with.
3. A5 (also called 825 cabinet) maybe the easiest way to get good
sound for an altec wooofer (be it 515 or 416). Its got
a magic midrange. It would be wise to make this your starting point
(it might be your end point too). In the presence region of
250-800 its
very hard to beat. Note that most of
the Edgarhorn TitanII and other
bass horns are better in the 80-200 region but they dont
really compete with the A5 from 250 upwards. Note that from
150 downwards, the A5
has a 'shelved bass' and needs to be augmented by some extra
woofers or subwoofers (pair of large 15 dbl woofer boxes
would work nicely and are more natural-sounding
than a pumpy-subwoofer)to get better sub-150 bass.
4. The 288c is a great compression driver. but most of
the horns that fit it
are too big for ordinary rooms. In my experience the
288c is at its best in
need a huge room (greater than say 20x30x10). the 288c with
its big
horns needs 3 woofers a side to balance it out (2 per side in an
a2 is not enough --- still gives too much midrange oomph).
5. The Hirago xover with its notch filter
is a worthy atttempt to tame the 288&its horn.
but i found it taking away too much music.
i got much better results by going to a jbl 2440 and using
a smaller domestic-friendly horn. for examples, you can choose
from jbl2397 / bruce-edgar 500 saladbowl horn / rca-fans conical
700 alumminium horn. All of these are easier to get right than
the big altec horns as well as being more practical.
6. If you want to stick to altec, I suggset the
smaller altec horns and altec 1" compression might be
a better starting point than the 288c (note that the
smaller altec horns
and drivers are a bit spitty compared to the jbl 2440 (great
by any other standard)
7. I would recommend the Model 19 crossover (N850? N12850?). These
are 8ohm xovers but can be used with great effect. altec made
a variety of xovers -- be ready to experiment. i did not have
much luck with the jbl xovers.
8. if you go with jbl 2440 you will have to add a tweeter & cap to
it (fostex is a good start point here).
9. be prepared for some amount of experimentation (2-100 years?)regds
munna
Follow Ups:
Hi Munna,I am the guy who bought your td124. Is there a way we could get in touch I am trying to build some cabinets for some vintage JBL drivers & could use your advice.
Thanks,
HI Matt
feel free to call me at 973-482-1480. i did a lot of a/b between altec and jbl woofers in the beginning but decided that altec woofer were more musical and --- to me -- more accurate (even though the jbls useally went down lower). after that i tried out many of the altec brands and finally settled on the 515b and 416z. so my jbl woofer comments are probably fuzzy. i confess to having lost track of jbl woofer names and cabinet models. for low bass (20-40), i prefer tad to jbl. note that jbl made wide variety of cabinet and if you are a jbl-woofer fan, it would be worthwhile to get familiar with jbl pro catalog. my friend who made most of my cabints (jack kuo -- who did your 124 base) has moved to atlanta. i am mostly out of audio now.
rgdds
munna
Some very good advice. I do respectfully disagree on the suitability of Altec 288s and multi-cell horns in houses, I used 288-1005s to my complete satisfaction in a moderately sized rec room. However my satisfaction is just that, mine.
hi Tom
looking back i should have played with the 500 crossover a little more. but 500 is so sensitive. no where to hide when its not perfect. i was on the point of starting to experiment with changing coils & resisotrs when i bagged it and went with the 800 point and its easy forward progress. but no regrets. i am fairly happy with my horn balance now. it holds its own (on balance) against respected monitors like m40, atc20, bc1. of course it beats
them on almost every other parameter.
rgds
munna
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