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Have been living with a pair of Zu Druid speakers and would like to share the ownership experience and information with others.Many reports have been posted that the Druid has no bass
or that Zu should "confess to the real specs". Maybe this
has been the true life experience of some people, but there
would be reasoning behind this. Mainly the lack of proper
information maybe to get these fine speakers to the level
they are capable of. Let me push on to share and explain
a bit more on this speaker, living with and breaking them
in properly:The Zu speakers need to be burned in properly to sound the
best and at full potential. They are also a speaker that
should be at a reasonable room temperature or allowed to
be before judging critically. With mine they had traveled
through very cold temps between Utah and myself including
several snow storms this winter in the west. Called to talk
with Sean at Zu prior to arrival when he made specific note
that my speakers should be allowed to come to temp after
this travel, and with in a few days should start to come
into being. And of course he was correct indeed! For mine,
it was 4 days with a hefty amp. More on that shortly.Zu has a new in-house burn in process now for new speakers.
This process is equal to my understanding of 160 hrs of burn
in. Zu clearly states that reaching a crucial break-in point
is needed. The in-house process alleviates the end user from
having to use special burn-in type disks or go through the
painful and long process of full burn in. This does not mean
that they do not have a bit of a way to go still yet! The
manual states clearly that this break in time needs to be
with an amplifier capable of doing the job. SET owners might
want to find a Solid State amp (as the low power SET is NOT
going to do the job), and that playing at low level would
result in the need to double the amount of time to break-in
point.Clear as mud?!
While the equivalent of 160hrs has been put on the speaker
at Zu, you can expect to reach 200 or preferably 250hrs total
in order to see the real potential of the Druid. It's up to
the owner to complete the break in process with a proper amp
if they want to hear what this speaker can do. My guess is
this may be primary reasoning why some people report that the
speaker is not what the articles at 6moons and others like
myself have experienced. If the Zu manual procedure is not
followed, then we can't say that it is Zu's or the speaker's
fault now can we?From the manual it states:
50hrs of play: 50% break-in
100hrs of play: 80% break-in
250hrs of play: 95% break-in (approx. where the magic begins!)
1000hrs of play = 100% break-inNow aren't you glad that Zu takes care of the main drudgery
at the factory now? I sure am! Speakers arrived at my door
in very well packaged protective boxes. I took them out and
hooked up a McCormack DNA-125 amplifier. Right out of the box,
my speakers sounded nice. They did NOT sound great. By that
evening they sounded horrid. Quite frankly I was very worried
as to what I may have put myself into, but then I did remember
the conversation with Sean. Sure enough, after reaching a
good temperature inside for a day or 2 and playing with my
hefty amp the Druids started to shine. From there it got
better.Once my Druids began to shine, I placed them on the hardwood
spikes at 1/2" spacing (by manual is too much, should be 1/4")
set on top of a 1" granite block (on top of my house carpet).
This was a dramatic improvement placing onto a hard slight
raised surface in my large room.It also became apparent that the speaker is reflective of
what gear is fed to it. In one move, I swapped a copper pair
of IC's out with another DH Labs BL1 (cardas RCA's) that I made
up and instantly my imaging came to life. Bass popped out even
better than I had from placing on the granite blocks. All
I can say is that if you still think the Zu Druids can't reach
the stated 35hz spec., then you have not heard mine! Unhooked
my dac and let my Harmon Kardon DVD22 with Wolfson chip do the
work and it was not shabby at all. In fact I am wondering if
I need a dac here now, whereas it was magic with the dac on
my old now gone Magnepan 1.6QR's. Another trick on bass I found
is by the cable means. Analysis Plus Oval 9 is the trick.When I ordered my speakers after hearing the Zu line at a
local Knoxville Bottlehead gathering, I thought that we would
need a Sub after reading all the posts saying this speaker
does not have a good bass. Of course that was not what I
had heard myself the first audition, it's the reading afterward
and second guessing that made me think about a Sub. Now I
don't think a sub is needed at all unless for very dynamic
(i.e. Rock or synthetic) music. 2 other guys in our audio
group bought Druids before I did and both were happy
without a Sub. Both told me to be sure to try without
before passing judgement. Glad that I did and have to
say that I am now happy too without the real need for
a Sub. My 1.6QR was spec. at 40hz. The Druid is without
a doubt punching below this range very easily. I have
dynamic, punchy bass with the McCormack amplifier
and Bottlehead FP3 preamp (stock except Auricap outputs
and a Teflon V-Cap on OD3 bypass) on the Zu Druids.
If you listen to Jazz and natural instruments you will be
fine without a Sub if you follow the manual and break-in
properly as well as set up properly i your room. Only rock
fans or of deep electronic synthetic music will need to fill
in below 35hz. That's the beauty of Zu speakers: not only
so they sound fantastic, but they are versatile in what you
throw at them providing the recording is not complete junk
to begin with.I sincerely hope that this information is helpful and
sheds light more into this fine Speaker. Highly recommend
as well as the bigger brother, the Zu Definition model.
Next step is to hook up my super sweet 2A3 amps...this
will take to a level far above where I am now for certain.
And to think I'm already happy with them. Have not even
touched on the awesome fit, finish, customer service aspects
of the Zu speakers. If you have been thinking about these,
you owe it to yourself to at least hear the best thing to
come along for long time in audio. When was the last time
you called a company and the design engineer answered the
phone and even talked to you? Very glad to have thrown my
support to a great little American company that you don't
seem to be able to find much of anymore.
Follow Ups:
think they'd have a pretty good little speaker for certain rooms-last summer, had a sheet of Chinese playwood - rough guestimate of LF performance with old B102 left over from failed K10 project and this simple pipe may not be their technology. Zu probably has a much better customized driver
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run of little pipe in kitchen with piezo
OUTDOORSon axis and LF traces
on and off
on off with porly blended $8 APT-80-copy helper tweeter 2uF and 0.23mH
Very interesting, Freddy. Thank you.Sure looks similar to the Druid frequency response graphs, both down low as well as up high where the wizzer kicks in.
Does it have friendly musical sound?
Abit funny at 6khz off axis-whizzercone?Will get to hear Silver iris in a few weeks once it arrives.Too bad its my brother whos buying them not me hehe
APT80 copy looks a little rough 6-10khz.
Mike.e
There are three constants in life: death, taxes, and the inevitability of a (speaker)wire thread being closed -SY
hey mike w. - power handling was good & did pretty well on drums but subjectively pitched "indefinite-pitch" low drums sound higher in pitch than silver iris --- (a unity plopped up on 18K can deliver more power and was smoother in mids than SI) - power response above 3K on B102 up to a point made very narrow sweet spot up close. trying to take that $8 apt80 copy down to 3K sounded worse than the high xover with 1.6-2uF. I think a more lively room like my kitchen would have sounded decent with the rough knockoff/guess and a 1005 piezo was fun.btw - removed one B102's dustcap and maybe lost a couple of dB peak up high which was kinda holding things together.
you might like a "mini summa"? - DDS Pro-90 or 18 sound XT1086
I need new couplers :^)
So many variables!I think for me a wide sweetspot and nice power response is best idea.
Both of those horns look nice!Wondering how much more than a H290 theyl cost-expect alot more.
Have you seen all the Paudio new HF horns? Too bad their documentation is so lacking!
Audioheritage threads seem to show that jbl2344 baby bum copy,by Paudio,mounted sideways works pretty well!
4430 copy?! :-D
ZILCH I think it was,who tested all those combinations,invited people over,with EVEREST horizontally assymmetric horns on the floor,people said the effect was bizarre and startling.Need some' JBL tent' sales over here!
Mike.e
There are three constants in life: death, taxes, and the inevitability of a (speaker)wire thread being closed -SY
First thanks for giving your impressions on the Zu's.
I have never heard them but I would advise not to take
care too much about guys on AA thinking they know everything
and advise to put them in the bin. (These people do not necessary
agree with you on what is good).
By the way, you could make your opinion yourself and found
the Zu's were good. They are not so many speakers which cannot
play the music with "life" -- so if it is the case with the Zu's
do keep them until you really hear something much better.
Would you wish more bass, add woofers and bi-amp.
Good luck.
"guys on AA thinking they know everything
and advise to put them in the bin."Certainly not everyone here knows everything. But the vast majority know something, including the fact that no woofer in existence can do what Zu claims.
"These people do not necessary
agree with you on what is good"Agreement on what is good will never occur, as that is a subjective opinion. Agreement on what is possible is another matter entirely.
Really, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about ZU products, AA is a NOT ZU friendly IME & none of it matter. I run DIY OB & really could care less what experts say. You have to hear it for your self, in your room. So if someone has not heard those ZU speakers in there room, then they have absolutely no clue as to any advice..NONE...speakers react differant in every room. I went HE OB DIY for my happyness, I have delt with the ZU boys for years & there customer service is of the best anywhere in the world.I actually think they are disliked by many because the offer good products @ very fair prices for what you get. The ZU boys are not just winging it... they have a clue on all this audio fun.
I too share your enthusiasm for Zu loudspeakers. I took the leap of faith and purchased Zu Definitions (in BMW Cremona Red). They come with substantial break-in at the factory, but still need a lot more. They have continued to improve ever since.I have heard non-broken in Druids and can understand how someone can come to the conclusion that these speakers suck. Brand new the Druids lack bass and, perhaps, worse, sound thick and opaque. With play the Druids really open up and blossom. The sound become much cleaner and clearer, the soundstage becomes expansive, and the bass improves.
But even completely broken in the Druids do subjectively sound a bit bass shy and also rolled off in the highs. A good balancing act well known to owners of single driver speakers like the Lowthers, Omegas, Rethms. The Druids do not have the subjective bass of even mini-monitors like the Dynaudio Focus 110 or Confidence C1, or small floor-standers like the Totem Hawk.
The Druids just don't seem to generate the visceral bass or midbass that most dynamic-driver speakers do. This can be a good thing if you're used to Maggies or full range electrostats like the Quads, but a disappointment if you're used to the usual box speaker. I can see why you find the warmer sounding Analysis cables to your liking. The Druids may sound overly lean to you with more linear sounding cables like the Zu line of cables.
I can see why many would crave a subwoofer to round out the performance of the Druids. And that's why Zu makes 2 subwoofers.
This is simply not the case with the Definitions. Even with the powered subwoofers turned all the way down, the Definitions have way more bass power and impact. They also are much more transparent and clear sounding. The treble also seems more extended and detailed. I'm not sure why this is the case since both speakers use the same drivers. Of course the Definitions have one more 10 incher per side, but this alone doesn't seem to explain why the Definitions sound so much better. Perhaps the sealed box of the Definitions compared to the vented box of the Druids has something to do with it.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Druids are a great speaker for the price. A true music lover's speaker. But they do have limitations. Limitations that for me that preclude ownership--even with a Method sub. Luckily, I could afford the Definitions, because they are so much better. I fact, I cannot think of any other available speakers under $20,000 that I would rather have. In fact, there aren't any other speakers available for under $10,000 that are truely full range, attractive, home-friendly, and can be powered by my Yamamoto 2 watt amp.
I liked the Definitions better than the Druid as well and have
heard them both in the same place. The only fault I had with the
Definition was the difference in price vs allowance!Yes the Druid has it's faults. It is a great speaker though
where some have said it is just awful. We all get an opinion
and that's a good thing. These are slightly more versatile
than my full range Klipsch, and definitely more than the
Magnepans for what I listen to which is a broad spectrum.
Music taste and a host of other variables is always going
to be the subjective. A sub would be a nice addition but
so far I'm taking in the sound for what it is. My bass has
varied by source and recording, but it hasn't left for want
just yet.My big Klipsch can put it out but are slightly less efficient
than the 101db rating of the Zu. It will be really fun to hear
the Zu's with my 2A3 amps after hearing a variety of great tube
amps on both the Druid and Definition in December. It is fun
to play with different gear and see what shakes out. I prefer
the toe tapping gage. Perfection is closer to a live
performance than reproduction anyway but that's just another
of my stupid ideas! Thanks for sharing your experience with
the Definitions :-)
"All
I can say is that if you still think the Zu Druids can't reach
the stated 35hz spec., then you have not heard mine!"Listen buster, nobody said they can't do 35hz. But plenty of people have said they can't do 35 hz anywhere near flat AND be as efficient as they claim AND be in as small a box as they are? And they can't. Understand now?
"When was the last time
you called a company and the design engineer answered the
phone and even talked to you?"That can happen with any small company, it's not like these guys are movie stars, like you got through to Madonna or some fucking thing. If you call my place of business you'll get right through to me even if I'm upstairs watching Zulu.
"The Zu speakers need to be burned in properly to sound the
best and at full potential."Yeah, one hears that line with bad speakers all the time. I never heard a bad speaker get good. The proper place to burn in bad speakers is in the fireplace, that way you'll get a little useful work from them.
"The Zu speakers need to be burned in properly to sound the
best and at full potential. Yeah, one hears that line with bad speakers all the time. I never heard a bad speaker get good."Agreed. Driver break in is fully accomplished in 100 hours tops. Beyond that all that changes is that you get so used to how they sound that you don't notice their faults any more.
Hi BillA 10 ring I suspect RE: your comment
Here is the after 100hr part, things you need to get used to eh?http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/zucable_druid/
No wonder Bose can sell so many speakers. Obviously a great many don't listen to graphs.cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
... if you look up the review from which those measurements are taken, and look at the pictures, you can see that those were the earlier version. I believe both drivers have been changed significantly.If as suggested elsewhere the enclosure is a mass-loaded transmission line, the notch at 160Hz seems most likely to be an underdamped column resonance, which they may well have modified - I know I would, after the publication of measurements like that! :^)
A final note - someone said that 100 hours is plenty of breakin for anything. I would think that the time required to loosen an initially stiff suspension would be related to the displacement and frequency - it is basically a mechanical fatique process, after all. Running a speaker rated for 300 watts with a 4-watt SET amp would logically require many times as many hours to obtain the effect - certainly 1000 hours would not be unreasonable. Feeding 100+ watts to a speaker of 99dB or 101dB or whatever sensitivity in the midrange for 100 hours seems painfully impractical unless you really need to break your lease. If as someone else has suggested the driver is based on a 10-inch Eminence design, their typically rugged suspension could easily require a lot of mechanical displacement to settle in.
"the notch at 160Hz seems most likely to be an underdamped column resonance"About the only way you can get a notch like that is via an out of phase reflection. I've seen it claimed that the problem was caused by a ground reflection to the mic, but that doesn't wash if the measurement was done in an anechoic chamber. The impedance chart is classic bass reflex with a 50Hz fb, it doesn't even resemble an underdamped TL, let alone a stuffed TL, which has a single peak at fp. A quarter-wavelength driver to internal boundary reflection is most likely, being a tower I guess there could be a 1.7 foot internal path that wasn't rendered non-reflective. If they did fix it I've never seen a new measurement.
Bill, that notch looks to me like a cancellation notch, probably centered on the frequency where the internal path length is 1 wavelength long such that the backwave emerges from the line terminus 180 degrees out of phase with the frontwave. I would guess the Druids have an underdamped line roughly 85-90 inches long.This guess based on my own experiments back in the 80's.
It's a cancellation notch for sure, without seeing a cutaway of the box difficult to say the cause, though a TL so poorly underdamped to give that result should have more rippling in both the response and the impedance. I just checked the Zu site again, no chart is posted, and they still claim 101dB sensitivity to 35 Hz. They should have entered it at the NYC subwoofer shootout last week, eh?
interesting any links?
It's on PSW, reviews section.
hello Bill...PSW is pro sound web.. I got that... but where are the reviews? sorry... a site search of "review" brought up 50 pages of links...
thanks...
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/f/7/0/
nt... duh!
The impedance curve doesn't back up my theory, though I did get similar frequency response curves from underdamped (though not totally undamped) TL's back in the day.With a mere 20 dB of boundary reinforcement, the Druids obviously go down to 35 Hz. So what's your problem, Bill? You're not still in the dark ages, following those outmoded so-called "laws of physics", are you??
Duke
Anechoic chambers aren't reflection free at low frequency. They don't usually have thick enough absorption wedges for that. One would want to measure on a ground plane, even in an otherwise reflection free environment to avoid the notch from floor bounce.
I've seen that before, guess that one must have had only 500 hours on it. Surely another 500 hours will fill in that dip at 150.
Yeah, cancellation is like that, it will go away someday.
Best,
that this "chart" is dated 2002. It doesn't sound like my speakers do for some reason. Couldn't get it to play at all ;-) Maybe the enjoyment factor file is not attached.
Last time I tried to listen to a chart it didn't have much sound to it. ;0P There are several speakers on the market that don't measure very well, however, this one is particularly bad, and I do mean BAD. There are also many people that don't know what a nice clean flat and tonally balanced speaker sounds like. I tend to be very sensitive to peaky speakers. I guarantee I could pick this speaker out of any double bind test; its that bad. Don't kid yourself; don't try to justify a bad purchase; get a different speaker; chock it up to a learning experience; move on; be happy.
Hit me with some good suggestions?
Edgarhorns are a good place to look, not free (what is) but they're excellent, honest-to-goodness, high efficiency speakers. Living Voice makes some good looking designs, as does Pi speakers, or some of the larger klipsches (either vintage or current). There's also behemoths like Zingali, or Westlake, or the old standby- big Tannoys.If you're willing to build a kit, you could do a lot worse than the BK-16 from www.madisound.com, or, if you want to really get some good stuff, Dick Olsher's BassZilla is a fabulous design. I've never heard it, but I've worked with the same design principles extensively- he's not a squirrely amateur :) Hammer Dynamics, Silver Iris, Prometheus, and some others are available as pseudo kits.
My favorite reasonably priced tube-friendly speaker is the Hornshoppe Horn, excellent speaker.
No matter what your subjective experience with the Zu, they are full of it. They do NOT have 35Hz bass. Period. If they did, they'd be selling to arenas, and every pro application around: they break hoffman's iron law just for us audiophiles? I think not. They're a standard enclosure, MLTL IIRC. That driver won't even do 35Hz f6 on an infinite baffle.
If you like them, that's the important thing. But don't try to stick up for their bullshit objective claims with subjective impressions, that doesn't prove anything. I mean no personal rancor here, fwiw.
Why do they irk me so much? Because they represent what's wrong with many hifi manufacturers, and give those of us with some ethics a bad name.
Aw c'mon, Jeff! Don't be a pussy. Tell us what you REALLY think!se
I couldn't do that:I might singe some eyebrows :)
I couldn't do that:I might singe some eyebrows :)
Heheh. And nothing worse than the smell of singed hair. :)
se
Answering your question, interested in more efficient speakers
(98db+) since I prefer to drive with my tube amps. Built and
modified Bottlehead 2A3 monoblocs and tube preamp.Thanks so much for the all the info. I'm hearing deeper bass
than what I heard with my 40hz planars. Have I measured it?
No (just to get that out of the way!). For the other guys,
never claimed my experience to be a flat 35hz. But my point
was/is the Druid sounds good here, they are punchy and deeper
than what I had and I have some experimental based rationale
as to why compared to the other system I have in house.The AP Oval 9 cable is not even tolerable on the KG5.5 due
to being exceptionally bass heavy. Here they work very well.
It was a tremendous difference ditching twisted pair magnet
copper wire with vampire RCA and going to BL1 IC's.
Not subtle. So all retoric aside I'm having a good sound
experience here. It could be that there are much better
options so thanks for all of your suggestions. I'll start
checking them out and get some feedback soon! Spent a few
years getting my front end right, now looking for the right
"voice". I'm very happy with the KG5.5, but always of mind
to tinker. Have to go beyond the system that already sounds
nice, detailed, and relaxed :-) No end in sight!
The good news are there are speakers that will do low bass with a 2a3 set amp. The bad news is I doubt you can afford them. So where does the leave you? With the rest of us normal folks. The solution? Get something reasonable that you like that will go down to a 100-200 hertz or so (maybe the Zu???), add an active crossover and bass reflex speaker, and power with a solid state amp. A decent 15" eminence will be fine and any old 100 watt+ amp will do. Or you can get a plate amp like the bash.I have just started DIY speakers and the comment made above that most don't know what a flat sounding speaker is rings true. I am running a borrowed 12" in a bass reflex and have stronger bass than any commercial speaker I have ever owned. But when I measured I was only flat to around 70 hertz.
Russ
P.S. You could get something like the Pi speakers but in the end I'll bet you will end up with a 3-way. Think wide range in an open baffle with a ribbon or horn/compression driver up top and the bass bin below as a starting point.
Good comments Tom. I am not a big believer in burn in. But i do feel speaker surrounds need time to loosen up. New drivers seem really stiff out of the box and as time goes by the surrounds loosen up so the drivers move back and forth more freely.A few days or weeks playing bass seems to be all the burn in needed for most of my speaker projects.
for your comments. How about a little enlightenment
on what type speaker you are listening to that you like?Best Regards,
Those of us who have been here for more than a few days would realize what Tom has listened to over the years.
Apologies, didn't get that F.A.Q/Forum Sylabus. I'm glad however that Tom enjoys his Altecs. Would be interested in learning more about speakers that are enjoyed here. I'm not getting very far with this
kind of "help"...
over 200 posts
Andrew,Man you really seem to have run into some obnoxiously arrogant responses from some responders who were fortunately afforded better treatment and understanding when they were new and naturally ignorant.
Ok, I was using a specially made pair of Medallion III back horn cabinets stuffed with a current pair of Lowther DX-4's. The Medallions' internal turns are all curved, made from sandwiching many layers of special bending birch plywood (a very slow and arduous process). I have recently been STUNNED by the sounds emminating from a very simple pair of JE Labs (home made) Open Baffles stuffed with a pair of Lowther PM2MKII's. These are nothing more than PM4 sized Lowther magnets with a softer and not as potebtially magnetic top plate and pole piece. I am in the process of constructing some more substantial gaffles to raise the hight of the Lowther's in the baffles. Nothing more than a bit scaled down idea derived from my friend, Martin King.
Andrew, no one here is an absolute authority about speakers, not even those with PHD's in this field. I have been involved in this stuff professionally and as a hobbyist since the mid 1970's. I used to design and sell pro audio speakers for stage and sound field reinforcement. I was fortunate to be a part of the audio industry during the hay days of some of the best drivers and complete speakers (just my opinion) in history. I still have some of those Alnico JBL and Altec drivers hanging around here. I owned Altec model 15's, 19's and several variations of Altecs. I owned multiple compression driver based JBL's; L300's were my favorite reasonably sized home speakers. I sold these manufacturers' products as well as Tannoy's, Quads, (before and during the release of the 63), and many others. I must admit to preferring many of these respected oldies to most of what followed during the past thirty years.
They, including the Altec 19's presented that "you are there'ness" even from a different room in my home or audio salon. You WILL know it when you hear it. Do your ZU's easily cause a suspesion of disbelief. Does music sound real from the room they are in or the next room over without effort on your part? That rarely happens for me regardless of price and or reputation of speakers. It almost always requires lots of brain squinting on my part to make most speaker systems sound like something is ACTUALLY going on in the next room.
I have lived with and enjoyed many many speakers over the years that sounded very very good, like my Chartwell LS3\5a's, Quad 57's, Martin Logan CLS 1's etc., but none of these seemed to excite the air molecules in a way to truly fool me. It seems that this is an attribute that seems to derive specifically from very high efficiency and or compression driver based speakers. And, maybe Open baffles with very high efficiency drivers.Bottom Line, If you like em, then F&*K the rest of us. But, it won't hurt to continue to learn from the many very knwoledgable and experienced Asylum Forum members' who choose to offer advice with kindness and patience. They did that for me a number of years ago.
nt
hey chaco-well.. opinions are like the proverbial bunghole..
what electronics would you be pairing the speaks you want to, what music do you listen to, and what're your sonic goals? it's tough to give recommendations for the same reason-- everybody has a different idea of 'what's great'!
personally, i use all tubes, prefer softer sounding speaks with oil caps, a small altec bass bin and a 1 3/4" comp driver, mostly vinyl. i don't value 'detail' for the sake of detail-- but prefer better texture and lack of hardness ('musicality'), and am glad to sacrifice 'detail' for an easier presentation-- which hopefully other decisions in the chain help compensate for. i use a trioded el34 amp from the mid 50's. i really like altecs for all of the aforementioned reasons-- and like to compare it all to a better version of the magnavox el84 console or KLH's i grew up with, for better or worse!
so that's what informs MY ears, more or less-- any impressions of where you'd like to go would help folks give you options forward-- cause without that, they're just.. well.. like the many other stinky opinions out there.. i think most are glad to help best they can!
:).
Hi ,
Hang on a moment it's only a modified Eminence in there ! Aren't the Druid's spec'd to 99dB 1w/1m ? 35Hz and 99dB sensitivity do not mix , especially with a 10" driver . Were you using these against the back wall by chance ? If you like them fair enough thats up to youcheers
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