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In Reply to: Esoteric DV-60 or SA-60 posted by Karl W. on April 14, 2007 at 04:33:15:
...for *Positive Feedback Online.* Indeed, I am listening to the terrific Stockfish SACD, *The Spirit of Gambo,* via the DV-60 right now. (If you love cello, you really should get this SACD; the Gambo is a marvelous instrument, particularly when accompanied by harpsichord. I listen to it regularly.)I'll be writing my comments up in PFO, but I can say that my initial take on the DV-60 is very favorable. It doesn't have the exceptional VRDS transport of the upper regions of the Teac Esoteric line, but then again, neither does it sport a price tag in that region, either. And while it is not a VRDS, the DV-60's transport engine has been very solid and has operated flawlessly during the several months that I have had it. With its available Native DSD mode (good move!) and PCM -> DSD conversion option (a la the EMM Labs line...another good move!), plus switchable PCM filtering for Red Book, the user has a good deal of flexibility available. Best of all, the sound is quite pleasant to my ears, without some of the PCM glare that DSD -> PCM SACD playback only players exhibit.
Not only that, but it will handle your DVD videos and DVD-A's, as well. Thus far, I've seen no compatibility issues; DVD-A's read up just fine.
I hope this helps you. More detailed comments and product photos will follow at PFO.
All the best,
david
Follow Ups:
Right? Is that what you mean?
VRDS stands for something. (I forget what, exactly. Maybe "Vibration Rigid Damping System".) Basically it means that there is a clamping disc that covers the entire top surface of the disc. Teac has made many variations on this theme over the years. The "Neo" part refers to the latest generation that will play DVDs and SACDs, and not just CDs (unlike the earlier VRDS mechanisms used in the Wadias, for example).The DV-60 does not have any variation of the VRDS system. Instead there are just one or two things that distinguish it from a run-of-the-mill transport:
a) It has a metal loading tray. Since the tray does not touch the disc during play, this probably has next to zero effect on sonic performance.
b) It *may* have some sort of improvement to the suspension of the laser. Normally the laser is suspended on some thin lead-out wires that are connected to "voice-coil" actuators. These actuators control the motion of the laser in both an up-and-down direction (to maintain the proper focal distance) as well as an in-and-out motion (to follow the imperfectly concentric spiral of data pits on the disc). It's hard to be sure, as it's only been written in "marketing speak" (translated from Japanese, no less!), but apparently Teac is claiming that this laser is held more rigidly in one axis so that it maintains its perpendicularity to the disc better than a normal suspension. However, I am not 100% clear if they are actually claiming this or not, nor whether it makes any substantive performance improvement or not.
"Best of all, the sound is quite pleasant to my ears, without some of the PCM glare that DSD -> PCM SACD playback only players exhibit."David,
In my experience, PCM well done has no glare whatsoever. May be you are referring to the older Esoteric line where the DSD was converted to 88.2/24 which, IMO, is insufficient if best sonics are desired.
Regards,
Alex
Which playback units are you referring to when you speak of "PCM well done has no glare whatsoever," Alex? Perhaps I have not heard what you have heard...that could well be.I have heard the older Esoteric line, and yes, that's the sort of thing that I have in mind when I speak of "PCM glare." Clearly that sampling rate is insufficient, I would agree with you there.
I've heard/reviewed a lot of digital playback systems, but still have real reservations about DSD -> PCM playback methods, and have not yet heard anything that I would describe as "no glare whatsoever." The EMM Labs SE line remains at the top of the heap for me.
Let me know if there are devices that I am unaware of.
Regards,
david
How about dCS gears like P8i ? I found the sound exceptional clean and dynamics which is way better than the players with DSD -> PCM conversion ?
I haven't had dCS gear in my listening room since the days of the Purcell/Elgar combo for Red Book, Kenny. PFO's Dr. Sardonicus spent some time with the dCS P8i, though; you'll find his comments at the link below.Since I haven't listened to dCS personally in a number of years, and have never heard their SACD playback, I can't really comment on it.
Regards,
david
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