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In Reply to: Not to my ears... posted by Ted Smith on April 3, 2007 at 17:06:57:
Anything on Reference Recordings or ECM Records?I know what you mean about resolution, detail, ambiance, etc. Obviously, just like SACD, some record labels are better than others.
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HowdyI have approx 1400 CDs with the expected percentage from Reference Recordings and ECM Records. Some are very well recorded. But as I mention above CDs just don't have as much info as SACDs (let alone MC SACDs) and even the best CDs can't make up for that.
On the other hand good music comes thru on almost any media and I'm happy to listen to CDs when the corresponding SACDs aren't available.
In its respective price range?
HowdyWhich one :) I have the same issues with CD vs. SACD on every player I've listened to except a few that convert DSD to PCM, which in my experience threw the baby out with the bath water.
I use my EMM Labs CDSD and DAC6e mostly for listening to CDs and SACDs.
For my taste it's easily the best CD player I've ever heard and I've listened to a lot of other players. (Beating players such as the Linn CD12 and Esoteric X-01D2.) Some listeners at some other A/Bs I've been at have different preferences, but none would say that CD on the Meitner is bad :)
I'll not get into price/performance issues :)
I feel most would agree that they would have many that do and can give examples.Now that is entirely a different case I know than comparing the same specific title CD versus SACD, so perhaps that is what you mean when you feel it is the same issues across your players for that. I would tend to agree that most SACDs beat the CD of the same title.
HowdyI'm afraid we might be talking at cross purposes. There are a lot of dimensions to "best" and "beat", etc.
The original question was "Can A RBCD Honor Roll Nominee compete favorably with the best SACD's?" Which I took as "Can the best recorded CDs sound as good or take you there like the best SACDs?" To me the answer is clearly NO WAY: SACDs have such a leg up technically in ways that matter to me, that moderately well recorded SACDs cleanup.
If you are asking "Do badly recorded SACDs have some SACDness that you like better than the best that CDs offer?", then I can say no. I have a few SACDs that are too bright to enjoy at all.
But, at the risk of reopening an old thread where I'm not sure I ever got my point across: for me on average my SACDs (and I have most of the SACDs ever produced) are better recorded/produced than most of my CDs (which are less representative of all CDs.) I think this is because most early SACDs and probably even most of the recent SACDs are cherry picked from the archives and current recordings of the producers. I bring this up only to say that I don't have very many mediocre SACDs.
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