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In Reply to: Chesky 'New York Sessions' multichannel mix very unusual posted by JerryH on January 19, 2007 at 10:43:40:
The whole band *should* be right in front of you! Even though you may be very familiar with live jazz music if you are like most of us you are even more familiar with recorded jazz music and that's what has most influenced our expectations over the years. So, here's what I recommend that you (we) do. Listen to one of the 'New York Sessions' disc. Then, in as close proximity as possible, go to a live jazz set. Then listen to the 'New York Sessions' once again. I did much this very thing on New Years Day. I think it will be very apparent why Chesky mixed the multi-channel the way they did. One thing for sure, based on Chesky's promos for this set it is clear that the mix was purposely done; it was no mistake.May there be other multi-channel jazz mixes in your collection that you "enjoy" better? Perhaps so. For example, two immediately come to mind for me, Art Blakey "Key Stone 3" and Tony Williams' "Young at Heart" (two-channel). Actually, I think the Blakey actually sounds more like "live" (it was!), and the Williams recording is almost too real to be true, but the point being is that if "other mixes" are not the reference, but an actual live set is the reference I think you will find that "New York Time" and "West of 5th" are about as close to a live reference that a recordings are typically without actually being a record of a live set. I believe that both recordings both raise the bar.
It's interesting that you mentioned "mono" in your comments. I too mentioned "mono" in my comments below, except I took it a step further. I believed the recordings to be more like "no channels" instead of "mono". To me that is even better.
See my comments for "New York Time", "West of 5th", and "Young at Heart" at link below.
Robert C. Lang
Follow Ups:
not right in front at all. It would be like turning your chair sideways 45 degrees. You didn't notice that?
You're right that it is a great recording. I would have preferred to have the band directly in front because I like to hear music that way. It is so extreme to the right that I wonder if the disk itself is defective. But as I said, both McBrides are the same mix. It's still good in mono.
Try this... Tilt your player so that the right side is higher than the left. The image flows back to the center. Not sure why this works but I guess it's an unusually liquid recording :-)Jw
(sorry folks - LOL)
On "West of 5th" (I did not check New York Time") there is a bias to the right, to varying degrees, but always to the right (at least in the first 8 tracks that I listened to this time around). That is, all three musicians seem to becoming from the center channel (of course, the center channel is inactive) with a distinct bias leaning toward the right speaker. The left speaker is clearly active, but while it is definitely louder than the rears it is at the same time less loud than the right. So agreed, this does seem unusual.I did notice that beginning with track 6, "Billie's Bounce" there is more migration to the left with the kick drum, to some degree left of center, but the bias is still to the right. This is also true with track 7 "Lotus Blossom". But as I am closing out this post, track 8 "Confirmation" is playing and it is "almost" balanced.
Now that you mention it I do recall getting up one when I first got the disc to check on the balance of the speakers, but quickly forgot about it because (perhaps) there is so much also going on in the center (again there is no center channel). Perhaps this is why in my comments I talk about the discs having a "no channel" character. Interestingly, that no one else who I have played this disc for have noticed the right handed preference.
OK I understand what you are saying. I also better understand when you said that the stereo mix was "a little better" in that regard.But no, I had not noticed the accent to the right. But I will check it out soon and get back to you. Thanks.
Robert C. Lang
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