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In Reply to: EMM Labs new integrated player CDSA posted by Kenny on October 22, 2006 at 15:44:51:
That's a darn shame. People are mentioning it will be around $10K, but I don't understand why high-end companies continue to ignore the needs of its customers. I might even have bought the CDSA if it had a digital input..
Follow Ups:
"I might even have bought the CDSA if it had a digital input.."WTF! And maybe somebody else would have bought the CDSA if it had a cigarette lighter in it. Or a battery charger. Or something equally stupid. But seeing as how EMM doesn't design products for morons, it doesn't. I use my player as my digital source, same as most everybody else does. If you want a digital input so bad, pony up the extra bucks and buy a DCC2. As for myself I'm damned glad that EMM has a new player I can afford. Great news!
For a $10k digital player I'd definitely expect at least ONE digital input!! and yes, it is VERY important.Accuphase include TWO!!! digital inputs as standard in all their players, even the 'cheaper' ones!! and I bet they sound even better than any EMM gear..lol!!
Lighten up buddy..:)
AP
# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Samuel L. Jackson (Ezekiel 25:17)> Pulp Fiction < Current Set-Up..Accuphase DP-57-> M8-> SA-201-> Genesis IM-8300 <-
I don't expect digital inputs on any players. That's what the disc is for. ;-)
A CD/SACD player with digital input is exactly what is needed for many of us who are now using audio PC.We still need to spin SACD's b/c playing SACD's off hard drive has not been cracked yet, but hundreds of Gig's of redbook files can be played throught that digital input...
I thought Stereophile was finally warming up to the PC audio idea after the recent reviews of SB and whatnot.
only some of us at Stereophile are warming up to PC audio. So far, I have not found a good reason/excuse to make the effort.
by the level of quality that I'm getting out my/our server based ITunes digital delivery system.Some of the things that they're doing at Empirical Audio with their USB to SPDIF converter boxes; and, some of the things that Gordon Rankin is doing at Wavelength with USB based DACs are really interesting and, IMO, deliver a really high level of quality and convenience.
In my case, - my downstairs neighbor and I have over 900 redbook CDs dumped to a 2 terabit file server in our basement that delivers any Apple Lossless song to any of 4 different IBooks located around our building, and to a system outside on our deck. When music is played through my IBook into my APL, - using the AKM DACs, - I can detect a little wee bit more fullness and a little wee bit less detail than the CD: which I can switch back and forth on the fly. I have to listen very carefully to detect the difference.
Audiophiles and non-audiophiles are often both impressed. I haven't dumped too many redbook CDs, - but I'm going to start to pull those CDs that have only one or two songs that I like. This methodology gives me the opportunity to buy more CDs than I normally would be able to. I also find that I can still have music on when I'm busy doing other things and/or too involved to get up and change out the CD every hour; or for parties...
Now that Squeezebox is utilizing AKM DACs, - there's another huge reason to explore a wonderful multi-room music solution.... Every single format has its faults. Recording, and mastering have their faults.. But if digital delivery improves just a little bit more, it'll provide one with the options that other media cannot touch.
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground, try this trick and spin it, your head'll collapse if there's nothing in it then you'll ask yourself, where is my mind?
I have not been sufficiently motivated yet. I tend to listen mostly in multichannel these days and I am cowed by the effort needed to rip my stereo collection.
Multichannel isn't there yet for sure.... but as Master Yoda says.... "oh, it willll be...."And, - dumping CDs down isn't bad really, - you can just import while you're listening....
Or writing reviews of that latest multichannel Digital file playback machine... :-)
Thoughts from above hit the people down below. There are people in this world who have no place to go
Well, that also means that I have to listen to the entire disc lest I end up with bleeding chunks. In addition, there are 2 houses over which the discs are distributed and both resident PCs are no where near the audio systems nor do we want them in the listening rooms.Bottom line (for me) is that there simply is not sufficient reason to do even begin the process. The only possible one is real estate: we are contemplating building another CD cabinet.
We keep our server in the basement and only the (quiet)laptop that the files are distributed to via CAT5 sits in the listening room, - and even that is around the corner, partially in the dining room with a longish USB printer cable going to the USB to SPDIF converter box.Kal, - I'm not trying to argue the relative value of selling away all Redbook in favor of digital file playback. I'm just saying that for me, digital file playback is effectively competing with redbook CDs, - and the process of transferring lesser value CDs to our file server has been fun and worthwhile, and gives me more options. In addition, I feel that higher tier players would provide more value if they had some kind of digital input. (I recognize that for me, not being much of a classical fan, and a somewhat limited jazz fan, {and having an amazing player wherein redbook gets damn close to hi-rez}; SACDs and DVD-As have so much less value to me than Hi-Rez formats).
The argument that all things are going in this direction is obvious, and becoming a cliche. But it is true. I'm not saying that CDs or SACDs, or DVD-As or vinyl will be going away soon, - because there are folks, even in our little minority here, who will continue to fight to keep it.
Part of the message, and a lot of the value of a UNIVERSAL player is to bring about value by allowing one more options, - to play any type of disc. I'm saying that universal player manufacturers should keep in mind that "universal-ality," and include digital inputs....
Cheers,
Thoughts from above hit the people down below. There are people in this world who have no place to go
I have no objection to and, in fact, see the advantage of having a digital input in a high quality universal disc player. I was simply playing around in pointing out that I do not see it as required.Also, it would be nice to have all my CDs and LPs transferred to the hard disk and also have them accessible to me in the listening room. If I woke up tomorrow and, by some magic, it was all accomplished, fine. However, I cannot see the time and effort of ripping the discs and of setting up the appropriate hardware/wiring as a wothwhile activity for me. There's no place in either listening room or in an adjacent room for a server.
Until the day that the models for (and the content of) download/use change, it ain't worth the work.
HowdyHmmm, that would take about 2000-3000 hours for just my CDs. Not a short term project. I don't want to have to do anything 2000 times to "upgrade" my system :) Jukeboxes are working fine thank you :)
You have a ton more....so awesome....I'm just saying that it wasn't a chore for me and my downstairs neighbor....
Thoughts from above hit the people down below. There are people in this world who have no place to go
Sordidman, where'd you guys say you live?
HowdyI have sales men trying to push their PC centric products on me, but they have no idea of the size of my collection, even when I tell them upfront...
When the PC can hold and play (in MC) most of my thousands of SACDs I might get interested :)
Just kidding.....Just kidding....
Seriously though, - reducing and/or selling your redbook collection to finance your multi-channel or 2 channel SACD, or DVD-A habit could be a really cool thing... I have a pal who did it and he's happy as a RottenClam..... To be honest...I have SACD copies of Peter Gabriel's stuff that I play in favor of the redbook. By I didn't sell the redbook because I can't part with anything that his name on it. And, I play the redbooks in my bedroom system. But, there's also very few other redbook CDs that I can't imagine dumping as the ITunes is that good...
:-)
Thoughts from above hit the people down below. There are people in this world who have no place to go
*** When the PC can hold and play (in MC) most of my thousands of SACDs I might get interested :) ***You might have to wait a long time before that's possible :-)
in my case, i've ripped about 30% of my CDs and all my DVD-Audios (both 2ch and 5.1) but i still feed my SA-CDs in one disc at a time.
Many of us can still use the digital input for other digital sources that maybe lying around like a Minidisc, a Sattelite receiver, a DAT player..They will surely all benefit from a great DAC inside the main CDP..I personally find it very convenient Kal..I know it's not a MUST for its inclusion but would be a really nice feature, especially for the $10K asking price of the player..
I've a portable minidisc and my dvd player ( I watch movies in 2-channel) and with the Accuphase DAC input I get really great sound that way.
The main problem here is the poster's insulting attitude and his know it all and very rude manner..
AP
# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Samuel L. Jackson (Ezekiel 25:17)> Pulp Fiction < Current Set-Up..Accuphase DP-57/Plinius CD-101-> M8-> SA-201-> Genesis IM-8300 <-
With the amazing ability to play back either FLAC or Apple Lossless, or to use a digital cable or satellite TV receiver, - we should come to expect manufacturers to provide at least 1 digital input on a $10K player. Digital components are the worst value in audio, and deliver far too little for the price. (If one spends $10K on just about any amp out there, - they're getting so much more value for their money).Judging what is the "better player" is a moving target, and plays so much to personal taste. The Meitner is IMO a standard of the industry and a player that is a beacon, reference point of neutrality and detail through which many people judge other players. Is the Audio Aero Prestige a "better" player? Is the Esoteric? How does the Ayre compare? Whether or not you think any of these "top tier" players are "better," - ALL of them should be riddled with features at that price point; especially with some of the junk transports that some of them employ...
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground, try this trick and spin it, your head'll collapse if there's nothing in it then you'll ask yourself, where is my mind?
Hi Sordidman,Tks for the kind words. I didn't mean to demote the Meitner, I was just getting back at the poster..:)..Ive never heard any EMM digital product but I'm sure they make some of the nicest sounding digital gear around, I follow up regularly their online reviews etc..
From my humble experience with top of the line digital players I've come to believe that nothing is really bad, good, or better. Just that each has different 'strengths' and 'weaknesses' but are on the whole great sounding players with different sonic signatures etc..
AP
# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Samuel L. Jackson (Ezekiel 25:17)> Pulp Fiction < Current Set-Up..Accuphase DP-57/Plinius CD-101-> M8-> SA-201-> Genesis IM-8300 <-
Apologies, I didn't mean to imply that you were dragging down the Meitner..I was just using it as an example of one of the higher cost players, + standard of the industry type of thing, - associated with a commeasurement level of quality....Cheers,
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground, try this trick and spin it, your head'll collapse if there's nothing in it then you'll ask yourself, where is my mind?
**I'd definitely expect at least ONE digital input!!I wouldn't... nor would I want one.
** and yes, it is VERY important.**
No it isn't.
**Accuphase include TWO!!!... and I bet they sound even better than any EMM gear**
Bwhahahahahahaha!!!
Accuphase includes two because after listening to it, you want to listen to something else.
**Lighten up buddy..:)**
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# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Samuel L. Jackson (Ezekiel 25:17)> Pulp Fiction < Current Set-Up..Accuphase DP-57/Plinius CD-101-> M8-> SA-201-> Genesis IM-8300 <-
Check the IPs, idiot. Two people in two different parts of the world who have reached exactly the same conclusion. Hint: Maybe you need to find something you're good at.
of pseudo anonymity isn't it?Audio Pharoah is a consistent and wise and responsible poster here. Who are you? Perhaps it's time for you to give mommy her computer back?
We can only assume that because you're afraid to identify your experiences, and your historical perspective, - that you have little. That is certainly evident in your posts; wherein you choose to personally insult and attack instead of making a valid argument.
This underscores the fact that you don't know what you're talking about...I am so proud of our moderators here who tolerate drivel and childish behavior from unregistered posters and allow their posts to stand. They are truly patient and believe in keeping an open and free board; I know that I could never be so magnanimous.
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground, try this trick and spin it, your head'll collapse if there's nothing in it then you'll ask yourself, where is my mind?
Enough said ??;-)C'mon Mr. Schizo ! We all know the IP merry-go-round trick..!!;-)
AP
# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Samuel L. Jackson (Ezekiel 25:17)> Pulp Fiction < Current Set-Up..Accuphase DP-57/Plinius CD-101-> M8-> SA-201-> Genesis IM-8300 <-
{"Accuphase includes two because after listening to it, you want to listen to something else."}The most accurate, linear and realistic sound reproduction has always had it's detractors!
do post your equipment like the rest of us. Then we can be sure that there is more to your music than a cool guy front ends.Having a front end with a 2 or 3 % gain in performance is lost when using inferior downstream components.
I have 2 systems currently, one of which is often in a state of flux do to the fact that I buy/sell/repair/restore/collect a lot of equipment. I also make nearly all of the cables I use.My main system is comprised of an Accuphase C-240 preamp + C-220 MC headamp/preamp, a P-400 Class A/AB switchable amp, a DP-70v cd player and a T-103 tuner.
My turntable is a Micro Seiki RX 5000, utilizing a MAX-282 tonearm and an Accuphase AC-1 cartridge.
My speakers are a pair of updated and optimized Polk SDA 2B's. After 10+ years of exhaustive comparisons, I am confident that there are only a handfull of speakers that can compete with them today!
I am very happy with this system. I feel that it is the pinnacle of what I have been searching 30+ years for.
My computer system, which is the one I listen to the most, is comprised of an Accuphase E-202 integrate (the first of the E-300 series), a Carver MV-5 cd changer utilizing a BiDAC, a Digital Time Lens, and currently running a set of BB 2227 op-amps. I am also using a soon to be recapped Kenwood KT-7300.
I am currently waiting on the arrival of a Micro Seiki BL-51 turntable, fitted with a Grace 727 tonearm and a Signet TK7E cartridge.
I monitor this system using my ultra-accurate JVC HA-D990 headphone's.
My opinion of this system in its current form is that it sounds much better than it "appears"!;o)
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