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In Reply to: music will be saved by people who love music posted by dave c on May 7, 2007 at 23:05:34:
From a music perspective, the one thing that stuck with me from the original post, was the idea of silence being, evidently, such a terrible thing which only a braying Ipod can solve.I have always liked the line that goes: Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. And as nanny-like as that sounds, I think it is very valid.
Because the poster talks about how "the kids" are oh so observant and are buying into the whole good music/good gear philosophy.
And yet what I see continually in the streets is teens shooting their ears to hell by having a cranked Ipod up enough that 3 seats away on a loud Metro, I can still hear it. And I don't mean a few. I mean a lot, every day. The notion of real appreciation of quality, both in sound and pictures, is being slaughtered on a daily basis at the altar of portability.
What happened to the idea that you can WAIT 'til you get home or to a friend's and listen? And actually have somewhat fresh ears (assuming they have survived the city noise) with which to listen? And then perhaps, just perhaps, enjoy it more?
To me, at least, the whole estethic about 'serious enjoyment' of music has always been linked as much to place and time as to the music itself. And it is something that one cannot convey in words; someone needs to try it themselves to understand.
I hate, hate to have to use the junk food metaphor, but it's the one that fits well. There was a standard of meals in the home. Heck, there was a standard of meals away from home. And then came fast food. And home cooking, or as importantly, the UNDERSTANDING of why homecooking was important, have become niche concepts.
And if the Bright Young Things our original poster seems to have met are indeed interested in upholding some of the things we discuss, that's all for the better, and I hope it is so.
Because the blitheringly dumb kids I come across in all walks of life these days definitely aren't.
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.......There has always been some blitheringly dumb kids so I guess you never noticed this till you got older?I don’t doubt your observations for one moment but as far as I know there are more super-successful under thirties than there ever has been.
I’m sure there are kids who blast ipods in their ears way too loud but there has been SOME kids listening to music way too loud for decades.
I see nothing wrong with ipods and the argument that kids should wait till they get home to listen to music is ludicrous. Maybe you think all of us middle-aged old farts should never turn the radio on in the car and wait till we get home to our lounge rooms to listen to music?
I think there are more extremes in society today but most young people I see are decent & optimistic members of society and certainly better company than the folks who as they get older fall into the “doom & gloom brigade”
Lastly, when I was a teenager I didn’t know a single teenager with a high-end rig; not one!
Of course, YMMV.
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Sox .
".......There has always been some blitheringly dumb kids so I guess you never noticed this till you got older?"Stupidity is the oldest profession.
"I don’t doubt your observations for one moment but as far as I know there are more super-successful under thirties than there ever has been."
There is a strange elasticity in your reasoning when you include adults in what's being discussed. I didn't realize that someone age, say, 28 is now a kid. But ok, let's bring them in too.
"I see nothing wrong with ipods and the argument that kids should wait till they get home to listen to music is ludicrous."
Ludicrous....well if you are of the "all-or-nothing" school of thought, I suppose that would be the word. Here is another word:
Balance.
As in: is there no middle ground between not listening at all and having two earbuds jammed in your ears from the breakfast table on, and throughout much of the day?
Personally, I think there is, if for no other reason than by the time they become the young achievers you reference, they will be, if not deaf as posts, most likely without a goodly amount of high-frequency hearing ability."Maybe you think all of us middle-aged old farts should never turn the radio on in the car and wait till we get home to our lounge rooms to listen to music?"
I think you know how that statement sounds without me adding anything to it."...and certainly better company than the folks who as they get older fall into the “doom & gloom brigade”
Doom and gloom, unfortunately, isn't always just imaginary. Granted, some folks do like to live in it. I presume you are trying to suggest that I do.CC.
G'day,You say \\\Stupidity is the oldest profession./// Yes, I agree. Not much different, stupidity wise, than when you & I were kids. I got the impression from your initial post you were implying kids being stupid is only a recent thing?
You say \\\There is a strange elasticity in your reasoning when you include adults in what's being discussed. I didn't realize that someone age, say, 28 is now a kid. But ok, let's bring them in too./// I think my reasoning is correct and logical. It is my understanding that the majority of people who fall into the “super-successful under thirty” crowd don’t all of a sudden become successful at age 28, 29. USUALLY, but not always, they are successful from their late teens onwards and almost always in their early twenties. The perspective of people in their 40’s 50’s 60’s & 70’s nearly always refer to people aged 17,18,19,20,21,22 etc as kids. I’m not sure any successful person aged 29 was thought of as blitheringly stupid in their teens & early twenties? Of course, YMMV.
You ask \\\Balance. - As in: is there no middle ground between not listening at all and having two earbuds jammed in your ears from the breakfast table on, and throughout much of the day?/// Of course there is balance. Are you seriously suggesting the majority of young people fit your description or just the blitheringly stupid young people?
You say \\\Personally, I think there is, if for no other reason than by the time they become the young achievers you reference, they will be, if not deaf as posts, most likely without a goodly amount of high-frequency hearing ability/// I think your comments are predicated on a wrong assumption. I don’t believe the high achievers I mentioned OR the majority of young people fit your description in the first place.
You say \\\I think you know how that statement sounds without me adding anything to it./// It wasn’t a statement it was/is a sincere question. A question you didn’t answer. Reading these forums there are plenty of middle-aged inmates who listen to music in the morning before work, listen to music on the way to work (some on ipods), listen to music at work, listen to music on the way home from work, listen to music at home & listen to music in bed. Do you classify these middle-age inmates in the same manner you classify the blitheringly stupid kids you come across? Or does the balance you speak of only apply to kids?
You say \\\Doom and gloom, unfortunately, isn't always just imaginary. Granted, some folks do like to live in it. I presume you are trying to suggest that I do./// Agreed, doom & gloom isn’t always imagined, but mostly it is. After such limited correspondence on a very narrow subject matter I don’t presume anything about you at all.
It seems the kids I encounter are of an entirely different calibre than the blitheringly stupid ones who you seem to encounter. For that, I’m truly thankful.
I have every confidence in the younger generation as well as the future of high-end audio. Of course, YMMV.
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Sox
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