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In Reply to: "safer"? posted by Plinko on May 3, 2007 at 08:02:29:
That's if you can let yourself face political incorrectness. Note too, were one allowed to remove one particular population segment from US stats, this country would look even better!
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....\\\The United States has incarcerated 726 people per 100,000 of its population, seven to 10 times as many as most other democracies.///Further.... \\\ The rate for England is 142 per 100,000, for France 91 and for Japan 58///
The Justice Department also indicated “violent crime” had fallen in the US significantly since the early 90’s.
I readily concede that using statistics to rate “safeness” is open to vast interpretation.
I am not aware of many people advocating New York is a safer place to live than most European Cities. Maybe it is?
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.....G’day,Of course, I don’t know the definitive answer to your question. Crime and crime statistics are a very complex subject and I don’t believe the definition of “crime” is even universally accepted. Higher arrest/conviction rates can be viewed positively or negatively depending on the context & perspective taken.
I have not been to New York but if I take a pragmatic view and relate it to the city in which I grew up (Sydney) I can imagine the real level of danger directly depends where in the city you happen to be. Many places in Sydney you can walk around at 3 am without any fear of being accosted. However, there are places in Sydney where if you did walk around at 3 am you are placing your life in danger. I suspect New York, London and other major cities around the world are similar in that respect.
I guess the most disturbing stat is the homicide rate in New York. Death tends to be rather final.
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A recent EU crime and safety survey showed that the crime rate in London is higher than in any other European capital city or New York. In fact the EU named the UK a "high crime country."
..... The stats seem to vary a little depending on the source. Though as far as I can tell the MURDER rate per 100,000 in New York is OVER 6.5 and the murder rate per 100,000 in London is UNDER 2.5.But hey, other stats say New York is the safest large city in the US.
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"But hey, other stats say New York is the safest large city in the US."I thought the safest large city in the US was San Jose, California, consistently for many years.
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According to the FBI San Jose's crime rate is a commendable 2.9 (65th out of the 68 cities with populations > 250K). Honolulu, which coincidentally has almost the same ~910K populaton as San Jose, has the lowest rate at 1.7. On the other hand how does one define "large city?" Is a "large city" over 1 million? By that standard only San Diego has a lower crime rate than NYC. Is a "large city" over 2 million? That cuts the group down to just NYC, LA, and Chicago, and New York's crime rate is a fraction of the rates in either of those cities.
read the post from Clark above- there's probably two separate murder rates in NYC- one in neighborhoods no visitor would ever venture and another for parts visitors would probably visit. I've always felt safe in NYC in last 10 yrs, and am always on watch for pickpockets in London!
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in the UK? kids would randomly go up to people and slap them upside the head. funny!wonder what the specific source data is (re your link). i'll have to look at it later. interesting though. flies in the face of conventional wisdom.
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