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In Reply to: You said you rarely visit any dealer because of snobbishnes NOT just one or a few due to a bad experience! posted by Don T on April 26, 2007 at 09:18:50:
Didn't I say Goodwins in Waltham is an excellent dealer as are several dealers in Southern Cal? I have bought more than half of my components through b/m dealers. Your continued insistence that I have problems with ALL b/m dealers demonstrates your stupidy in not understanding my posts. There are components that are made in other countryies or by a single or few persons that can not be acquired through a b/m dealer, and thus require mail order. Why can't you get this simple concept? You basically insult most on this forum by stating those who order by mail are cheap, as there are more hi end sales through the internet than through all b/m dealers combined. Unfortunately and fortunately in some cases, b/m dealers are a dying breed. You can go ahead and buy all the Stereophile rated components at full retail price if you want. We can care less. But being snobby and stupid is no way to go through life.
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Didn't I say Goodwins in Waltham is an excellent dealer as are several dealers in Southern Cal?
But you rarely visit them because of snobbishness! At least you said so originally.I have bought more than half of my components through b/m dealers.
But not anymore! So you said!Your continued insistence that I have problems with ALL b/m dealers demonstrates your stupidy in not understanding my posts.
So what you said is clearly not what you meant. Now that you've cleared up what was most obviously the point (intentional or not) of your originally selected words.There are components that are made in other countryies or by a single or few persons that can not be acquired through a b/m dealer, and thus require mail order. Why can't you get this simple concept?
Oh I quess I didn't realize most of the component you've purchased have been made in other countries that are not available at the b/m? Maybe if you had listed an equipment profile this would have been more clear. You've failed to make this point previously nor have you mentioned the names of such gear that you are currently mostly buying.You basically insult most on this forum by stating those who order by mail are cheap, as there are more hi end sales through the internet than through all b/m dealers combined.
Yes I believe they are. Not all of them but most of them. If my beliefs insult most audiophiles why do I care? And even beyond that why would you care?Unfortunately and fortunately in some cases, b/m dealers are a dying breed.
I think it's clearly unfortunate.You can go ahead and buy all the Stereophile rated components at full retail price if you want.
LOL! I doubt I've got any recommended components in my system - if I do let me know. On the other hand I'm betting that far more recommended components are sold used and through discount outlets than through authorized dealers. I'm sure many/most Stereophile readers are confident enough in their purchases not to worry about what it sounds like - being on the recommendated components list makes it good enough for them.You can go on buying your Stereophile recommended components at deep discount through internet sources. Which is clearly what YOU'VE been advocating not me.
We can care less. But being snobby and stupid is no way to go through life.
Sure you can care less but you don't. I think that comment displays more than just a vaque ingnorance of your own brand of dishonesty. That's why you are continuing to make a fool out of yourself by name calling and trying to weasel out of your original remarks.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Hey Donkey. Where specifically in my post did I said ALL dealers were snobby? Please point out the word ALL in my original post. I never said Goodwins was snobbish. They are not - it is probably one of the best dealer in the US. Again you have to resort to your delusions to support your feeble case.I have already listed most of the speakers I have owned or own. You haven't. What have you got to hide? Please tell us what you own.
It is not necessary to rewrite line for line what I have said and respond underneath. Unlike you, we have reasonable attention span and memory.
You were the idiot who fell prey to dealer manipulation as you confessed earlier. Do you still bend over and tell your dealer, "Thank you very much, may I have another!"
We are so impressed you can AFFORD to pay extra for your equipment, so you can sit all by your lonesome and revel in the fact the you have money to throw around. I'm sure your very happy to have your stereo equipment as your only friends. Certainly looks like you have no fan on this forum.
Hey Donkey. Where specifically in my post did I said ALL dealers were snobby? Please point out the word ALL in my original post. I never said Goodwins was snobbish. They are not - it is probably one of the best dealer in the US. Again you have to resort to your delusions to support your feeble case.LOL! You said you rarely visit hifi shops. And you said this was because of snobbishness.
Well how good can Goodwins be if you rarely visit them?
Heck you say you've only been in a high fi shop 3 times in the last 2 years and at least one of those was your latest bad experience.
So the truth of matter is you simply rarely visit hifi shops and it's really not because of snobbishness.
I have already listed most of the speakers I have owned or own. You haven't. What have you got to hide? Please tell us what you own.
It's in my profile but I own Epos M3, Spendor SP100s and Living Voice Auditorium Avatars.
Didn't realize your speakers or the products you listed were special out of the country orders like you claim. It all seems like fairly common stuff available through US distributors and resellers.
It is not necessary to rewrite line for line what I have said and respond underneath. Unlike you, we have reasonable attention span and memory.
LOL! Sure thing! Any reasonable person would have checked my equipment profile without having to be told.
Secondly none of the gear you listed below seems like special order, can't find in dealer showroom kind of stuff like you claim down below. Matter of fact that's stuff you claim to have bought from dealers.
How about listing this hard to find import stuff made by small companies outside of the US not available at US dealers that you claim to own?
You were the idiot who fell prey to dealer manipulation as you confessed earlier. Do you still bend over and tell your dealer, "Thank you very much, may I have another!"
I suppose that's a difference between you and me. I realize mistakes I have made and share them with others so they can avoid the same things. You on the other hand apparently never have realized you have made a mistake - and I guess in your mind you haven't.
We are so impressed you can AFFORD to pay extra for your equipment, so you can sit all by your lonesome and revel in the fact the you have money to throw around.
You miss the point entirely. I don't believe attempting to buy more than I can afford is worth the effort. My gear is quite modest by high end standards, and if someone want to call it midfi have at it, and I have some pride in the fact that I make more than a 1/2 assed effort to buy the right stuff.
I'm sure your very happy to have your stereo equipment as your only friends. Certainly looks like you have no fan on this forum.
I'm not looking for fans or really even friends when it comes to my audiophile hobby. Apparently that's something important to you and IMO it's kind of funny yet at the same time very sad.
Really guy it's like you've gotten a confidence boost from the fact that some people agree with your dumb and lame as postings. Wow I can tell it makes you feel good.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Donkey still can't answer my basic question. Where does it say ALL in my original post?Sorry you have no friends to speak of.
You said rarely do you go into audio shops because of snobbishness.The fact you admit one dealership you rarely visit isn't a snob has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make.
My point is about you rarely going into hifi shops and how IMO that's a resource audiophiles should take advantage of as much as possible.
I never said, or never meant to say, you said ALL dealers were snobs - if I did please point it out - my apologies in advance. However you did say you rarely go into audioshops because of snobbishness.
Heck if you've got access to a good hifi shop that doesn't effect your snob sensibilities why do you rarely go into it?
Please don't call me out to answer a question - you've avoided answering mine - and I'm about ready to gather them all up and put them in a post to show how disingenuous your name-calling non-responsive attacks have actually been.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Making up your own words again, Donkey? Please tell me where in my OP post did I use the word RARELY. Really, how do you go through life confabulating and forgetting.Please go ahead and post how disingenuous I have been. I would love to be amused to see the lengths you would go and the time you would take out of your life to do so. Please I beg you Donkey.
Nothing disingenuous about my position.You rarely go into hifi shops because of snobbishness.
That's what you've told us in this thread.
You're only been into hifi 2 or 3 times in the last 2 years and you admitted you usually don't go anymore.
Are you now denying you've said any such things!!!!!!!!!
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Thank you for pointing out that I never said RARELY. I don't consider having visited dealers 3 times in 2 years rare at all. It's all relative. Compared to you who hangs out at local dealers like a junky, I guess that's rare. But people with lives and friends who don't need a dealer to define their existence, it's not rare at all. Compared to your regular Joe who's been to a hi end dealer once in his life, 3 times in 2 years is overkill. It's sad you spend so much of your life at dealers. I have other avenues to listen to new equipment as I have already stated. Like I said, go to a ball game. There are other things in life that are as much or more enjoyable than audio.
ROTFLOL! I could make an arguement how an audiophile could be successful without visiting local dealers.
You clearly have shown you can not do it.Well I already apologized but I'm ALMOST sorry I did! All dealers and salespeople can be snobs - be it internet, b&m, audio, appliance, auto, etc.
The point I'm making and still stand by is that you've single out B&M audio dealers being worse.
And I submit that most audiophiles would do this because justifies their desire to be CHEAPER and to buy audio mail order than through B&M outlets.
I also said MOST and I've given you numerous oppurtunities to describe how a caring audiophile could avoid local dealers and still get listening experiences required to make informed and educated purchase.
You've fail miserably to put yourself ahead of the masses.
That being said you've failed to tell us how you get your hands on / ears on listening experiences AND you failed to tell us about this small company manufactured equipment not sold by US dealers that you have to buy mail order!
Oh yea you claim you have audiophile friends. Sure thing - I've got audiophile friends too. But you know what their systems are so different than mine I find the components they own only minimally interesting.
I'm sure all of your friends have systems similar to yours and they let you take their gear home so you can find synergistic matches with your system. Unless you're in some kind of dealer or manufactured club you just aren't going to find many if any audiophiles close by with similar systems.
Truth of the matter is I know a few guys around the country who I discuss my system with and I trust their opinion to a degree. And though I've met at least a couple of audiophiles with gear like mine locally I didn't care for them personally.
But I'm sure you're such a man about town the you know a bunch of people in your town with the kind of rare small manufacturer equipment that has to be mail ordered because their are no dealers. You're so full of it you reek!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You've proven yourself an attention seeking loser AND an outright liar. I'm sure your friends won't even notice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Blah, blah, blah....
Give me rhythm or give me death!
nt
I've said you said rarely all along.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"We've all had experience with snobby dealers both b&m and internet sales - audio and otherwise.The only reason one would single out ALL b&m dealers like you did is to justify saving money by buying mail order."
Don't you remember Donkey?
ROTFLOL! I could make an arguement how an audiophile could be successful without visiting local dealers.You clearly have shown you can not do it.
Well I already apologized but I'm ALMOST sorry I did! All dealers and salespeople can be snobs - be it internet, b&m, audio, appliance, auto, etc.
The point I'm making and still stand by is that you've single out B&M audio dealers being worse.
And I submit that most audiophiles would do this because justifies their desire to be CHEAPER and to buy audio mail order than through B&M outlets.
I also said MOST and I've given you numerous oppurtunities to describe how a caring audiophile could avoid local dealers and still get listening experiences required to make informed and educated purchase.
You've fail miserably to put yourself ahead of the masses.
That being said you've failed to tell us how you get your hands on / ears on listening experiences AND you failed to tell us about this small company manufactured equipment not sold by US dealers that you have to buy mail order!
Oh yea you claim you have audiophile friends. Sure thing - I've got audiophile friends too. But you know what their systems are so different than mine I rarely find the components they own only minimally interesting.
I'm sure all of your friends have systems similar to yours and they let you take their gear home so you can find synergistic matches with your system. Unless you're in some kind of dealer or manufactured club you just aren't going to find many if any audiophiles close by with similar systems that you can get along with.
Truth of the matter is I know a few guys around the country who I discuss my system with and I trust their opinion to a degree. And though I've met at least a couple of audiophiles with gear like mine locally I didn't care for them personally.
But I'm sure you're such a man about town the you know a bunch of people in your town with the kind of rare small manufacturer equipment that has to be mail ordered because their are no dealers. You're so full of it you reek!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You've proven yourself an attention seeking loser. I'm sure your friends won't even notice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Go back and read your posts again, Donkey. You stated multiple times that I said ALL the dealers were snobs. Do I have to make this really simple for you and put them in quotes again? Memory failing you again?
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"We've all had experience with snobby dealers both b&m and internet sales - audio and otherwise.The only reason one would single out ALL b&m dealers like you did is to justify saving money by buying mail order."
Don't you remember, little Donkey?
ROTFLOL! I could make an arguement how an audiophile could be successful without visiting local dealers.You clearly have shown you can not do it.
Well I already apologized but I'm ALMOST sorry I did! All dealers and salespeople can be snobs - be it internet, b&m, audio, appliance, auto, etc.
The point I'm making and still stand by is that you've single out B&M audio dealers being worse.
And I submit that most audiophiles would do this because justifies their desire to be CHEAPER and to buy audio mail order than through B&M outlets.
I also said MOST and I've given you numerous oppurtunities to describe how a caring audiophile could avoid local dealers and still get listening experiences required to make informed and educated purchase.
You've fail miserably to put yourself ahead of the masses.
That being said you've failed to tell us how you get your hands on / ears on listening experiences AND you failed to tell us about this small company manufactured equipment not sold by US dealers that you have to buy mail order!
Oh yea you claim you have audiophile friends. Sure thing - I've got audiophile friends too. But you know what their systems are so different than mine I find the components they own only minimally interesting.
I'm sure all of your friends have systems similar to yours and they let you take their gear home so you can find synergistic matches with your system. Unless you're in some kind of dealer or manufactured club you just aren't going to find many if any audiophiles close by with similar systems.
Truth of the matter is I know a few guys around the country who I discuss my system with and I trust their opinion to a degree. And though I've met at least a couple of audiophiles with gear like mine locally I didn't care for them personally.
But I'm sure you're such a man about town the you know a bunch of people in your town with the kind of rare small manufacturer equipment that has to be mail ordered because their are no dealers. You're so full of it you reek!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You've proven yourself an attention seeking loser AND an outright liar. I'm sure your friends won't even notice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Please, please, please, please go ahead!!!! I'm gonna go listen to my music while you pound on your keyboard waisting your life away.
In case you are confused Donkey, the above is my response to your "threat" to post how disingenuous I have been.
ROTFLOL! I could make an arguement how an audiophile could be successful without visiting local dealers.
You clearly have shown you can not do it.Well I already apologized but I'm ALMOST sorry I did! All dealers and salespeople can be snobs - be it internet, b&m, audio, appliance, auto, etc.
The point I'm making and still stand by is that you've single out B&M audio dealers being worse.
And I submit that most audiophiles would do this because justifies their desire to be CHEAPER and to buy audio mail order than through B&M outlets.
I also said MOST and I've given you numerous oppurtunities to describe how a caring audiophile could avoid local dealers and still get listening experiences required to make informed and educated purchase.
You've fail miserably to put yourself ahead of the masses.
That being said you've failed to tell us how you get your hands on / ears on listening experiences AND you failed to tell us about this small company manufactured equipment not sold by US dealers that you have to buy mail order!
Oh yea you claim you have audiophile friends. Sure thing - I've got audiophile friends too. But you know what their systems are so different than mine I find the components they own only minimally interesting.
I'm sure all of your friends have systems similar to yours and they let you take their gear home so you can find synergistic matches with your system. Unless you're in some kind of dealer or manufactured club you just aren't going to find many if any audiophiles close by with similar systems.
Truth of the matter is I know a few guys around the country who I discuss my system with and I trust their opinion to a degree. And though I've met at least a couple of audiophiles with gear like mine locally I didn't care for them personally.
But I'm sure you're such a man about town the you know a bunch of people in your town with the kind of rare small manufacturer equipment that has to be mail ordered because their are no dealers. You're so full of it you reek!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You've proven yourself an attention seeking loser AND an outright liar. I'm sure your friends won't even notice.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
nt
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Keep it simple dummy, if you want to make a point. You're gonna git lost in your own dribble.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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