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In Reply to: Probably not! posted by Don T on April 25, 2007 at 19:30:15:
Don't ask for a discount and your dealers will love you even more! I mean, since you can afford it and all - I am sure they would appreciate your charity!I know we certainly appreciate your charitable donations around here!
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I guess you wouldn't/couldn't understand the concept of showing consideration for a job well done. Everyone and I mean everyone thinks they've got a good audio system - everything in this hobby is set up to make you believe it when you make a buy.However most audiophiles can only have "average" quality audio systems.
But when you've got the confidence to know you've done better than average saving a few bucks is inconsequential - in fact rewarding those who help you get there is a reward unto itself.
This all ties back into my original point. Those who don't visit their local dealers preferring mail order, used, etc. do so to save dollars not build the best system.
This isn't rocket science but clearly you and many others just don't get it.
"This all ties back into my original point. Those who don't visit their local dealers preferring mail order, used, etc. do so to save dollars not build the best system."This comment is fundamentally wrong, for example, dealers do not necessary have or have access to the best sounding systems. Secondly, excellent sound and thiftiness are not incompatible virtues.
Developing a rapport with dealers, by paying regular visits, is not the only way to build a good system, Personally I do not have the time for such nonsense, I have better things to do with my time.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
NT
This comment is fundamentally wrong,
I disagree. I believe fundementally it is correct - though I may be painting with too broad a brush. "Those" should be replaced with "Most of those". I've attempted to allow for this distinction all along but might have slipped here or there.dealers do not necessary have or have access to the best sounding systems.
I completely agree. However "necassary" is the key word. They may or may not have a good or the best component for the system. However if they do have a good choice you will have more or better experiences to know it (because of listening to more stuff).Even if one only supplements buying and selling through the internet with listening to in home dealer demos it still increases the chances of finding the right or possibly even best component.
Secondly, excellent sound and thiftiness are not incompatible virtues.
Again I agree. But I believe in most cases they are and again I believe there are exceptions. Most people buy mail order to save money not to get what they know (though they may believe) is the best component for their setup.
Developing a rapport with dealers, by paying regular visits, is not the only way to build a good system, Personally I do not have the time for such nonsense, I have better things to do with my time.
Taking advantage of all available tools and resources is the best way to do anything - not just buy audio equipment.
Please enlighten us more with your dealer brain washed wisdom. Judging by your proud anouncement of hundreds of components that you have evaluated through dealer loans, I now know you are a total gear head with only peripheral interest in music."Taking advantage of all available tools and resources is the best way to do anything - not just buy audio equipment." Except for internet, the most widely used medium to disseminate information and purchase equipment. What a hypocritical putz.
Please enlighten us more with your dealer brain washed wisdom. Judging by your proud anouncement of hundreds of components that you have evaluated through dealer loans, I now know you are a total gear head with only peripheral interest in music.LOL! I don't even need to respond to this comment. You wanna talk about music and experiences - I got alot more to say than I do about audio equipment.
I'm in music venues or record and CD shops all the time. How often to visit these outlets - or can I assume you also get musical experiences from you internet detective work as well?
"Taking advantage of all available tools and resources is the best way to do anything - not just buy audio equipment." Except for internet, the most widely used medium to disseminate information and purchase equipment. What a hypocritical putz."Kind of amazing how you quote me, add a response and then call me names based on your response to my quote. The internet is my main source of information. Audio shops my main source of hands/ears on experiences - something you continually dismiss or fail to mention completely.
Well, you have memory problems, so I thought I'd help you out by quoting your own words. Don't feel bad, you just need to start taking your Aricept again.Music? I have been playing the guitar, mostly classical since high school. I also play the piano and some sax. How about you?
You're in CD shops all the time? Looking for the latest Stereophile Test CD?
In response to claiming I'm a gearhead I said -"I'm in music venues or record and CD shops all the time. How often to visit these outlets - or can I assume you also get musical experiences from you internet detective work as well?"
Then you reply -
Music? I have been playing the guitar, mostly classical since high school. I also play the piano and some sax. How about you?
Duh I already said the above.
My father in law was a professional oboe instructor (college level and private) was in bands and taught in colleges in Oregon and in Arizona, my wife played piano and all of 3 my children forfilled their family requirement of playing a musical instrument through their junior year does nothing to substantiate my purpose with audio equipment though it may count as experience towards knowing what music sounds like - kind of like your guitar, piano or sax playing.
Nice attempt to dodge the question.
So I can assume you rarely frequent record shops and/or musical venues in the same way you rarely frequent audio shops or do you need a second chance at coming up with an appropriate answer>
It's sad really. All the members of your family have discovered the joy of playing an instrument, while you are in your owm gear head world tinkering with hundreds of equipment wondering which wire will give a better treble response.Like proclaiming you go to record and CD shops ALL THE TIME is really going to impress anyone. Get a life dude. Go to a ball game instead.
But by golly you playing the guitar and some music instrument sure will. Huh?ROTFLOL!!!!!!
My interest is in listening to music. All kinds of it. What do you do listen to yourself play the guitar? Why bother with a hifi at all - just do it.
Again where do you source the music that you buy?
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Actually since I started playing music, I have gained more insight into the musical performance and learn to appreciate the music, not the audio, more. This is my experience, but by no means a requirement to enjoy music and may not be the experience of other musicians.What does where I source music matter at all? Are you now suggesting the only place to buy music is a b&m store? Sorry, but Virgin Megastore and Tower Records closed down in my city.
Oh and me listening to my family practice and teach at home or in concerts doesn't count as experience for me to gain more insight into the performance or appreciation for the music?What does where I source music matter at all? Are you now suggesting the only place to buy music is a b&m store? Sorry, but Virgin Megastore and Tower Records closed down in my city.
I'm asking you how do you know what music to own? I told you I find it at record and music stores - you know at the listening stations or just by browsing. This has nothing to do with going to live events or anything. I buy music from several different outlets around town - yes tower is closed hear too and I rarely (once or twice a year) visit Virgin. I also listen to FM and have Sirrius in the gym but rarely do I buy music I hear on it. I also hear about stuff on the internet - like here in AA or buy stuff of interest from eBay.
Rarely, less than once a year, I buy something from a catalog - say Music Direct or Acoustic Sounds. But I haven't done that for a few years.
How do you source your music?
I'm only asking you this because you claimed I was a gearhead and have no/little interest in music. You're totally wrong - so answer the question. I want to know how you fuel the supply of software you run through the system you own.
Sure lately I've spent more money on gear but far less time on it than time spent listening to music.
Since about 6 AZ time I've been listening to music and posting, save for when I went out to dinner with my wife.
Just answer the question - where do you buy your music and how do you know what to buy?
Playing an intrument and listening to music are two different experiences. Try an instrument and you'll understand what I'm talking about.Used to be primarily Tower and Virgin before they closed. Now smaller independent stores and now more through the internet - usually you can download a sample before you buy. No, I don't listen for the quality of the recording, the performance is more important.
So your daddy, wife, and spawn play some instruments. What does that have to do with you?
Already answered in the post to which you've placed your response.
nt
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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