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In Reply to: Now This Is Really Interesting..... posted by Todd Krieger on April 14, 2007 at 05:15:31:
It appears that you are doing your listening test on a computer using Winamp. So why are you creating an audio CD? Why don't you just listen to the wav files directly via Winamp. This will remove a lot of extra variables from the issue. Maybe it is just the order the tracks are written on the CD is the culprit. Write another CD with the tracks reversed. Your opinion may change. Also try another with the same wav file on two different tracks. I suspect that you will still feel that one track sounds better than the other.
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I want to do this on my home rig. A good home CD playback system is still more-resolute than a good PC-based system. Although the new Winamp 5.34 closes the gap somewhat. (The biggest problem I have is the playback cards are non-oversampling on the PC. Where it's time-resolute filtered on the home rigs. They handle complex passages better.I want to set up this test on speakers as well. I am unable to discern absolute polarity with headphones, and I don't want to do any trials with inverted material.
I'd also like to make this available to those who first request it. Especially if I do attain a positive ABX correlation. (I might also do an "AB" disc where one merely chooses the track he thinks sounds better.) The main thing is they can see for themselves that the files are identical.
And finally, since lossless is often used in PC-based replication, it would potentially throw water on the notion that lossless means harmless, in regard to the integrity of the audio signal. And its possible audible effect can be transferred to CD-R.
Ok it makes more sense now. But as I suggested, write another CD with the tracks reversed and compare. You may notice a difference.
Also I usually do such testings on re-writable medium so no money is wasted or the environment is not harmed.
I want to do this on my home rig. A good home CD playback system is still more-resolute than a good PC-based systemHey todd, what are you using for a pc based system? Is the pc optimized for audio, etc.
My experience has been just the opposite. My trans/dac combo was no match for my pc.
"Hey todd, what are you using for a pc based system? Is the pc optimized for audio, etc."Well, I have both a laptop and a regular PC.... And everybody has a different idea of what constitutes an "optimized" system.....
It sounds decent.... A lot better than what I initially had.... I'll never mistake it for a Prism DA-2, however....
I personally think PCs are compromised because the nature of Pentium and other high-power processors just puts too much RFI into the mix....
Are you going from the pc to a dac, or are you using a sound card?If so, what are you using?
Interesting that you talk about RFi. I chose a slow via machine for the fact that it was slow and supposedly produced less RF.
Yet others will say that faster PCs sound better.
All I know is that the pc system is better than my not to shabby trans dac combo. BUt the thing wasn't cheap and was actually a bit more expensive than the hifi rig. But I did go for the flashy wireless touch screen, etc.
I really hope you are not using onboard audio...that can't sound good.
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