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In Reply to: A servile reply posted by Tom Brennan on April 1, 2007 at 19:51:28:
Tom,Your posts always end with the same ole stupid, "ballwashing...ass kissin'...weenie" comments. It's an obvious sign of insecurity and low self-esteem.
Guys like you with a big obnoxious mouth always sit on the sideline. That's why you need a union. You're too insecure, incapable or stupid to represent your self. If you had the "balls" that you predictably and consistently blather about, you would take control of your own destiny. But no, toughguy Tom wants the "big ole union" to protect him and his job.
Give me a break. Quit your whining and accept the fact that the average worker is now more educated, self-reliant and mobile and the day of the stupid, follow-like-sheep dunderheaded "union man" is on the wane.
The good news is that in 10 years unions will be about 5% of the workforce. The days of the obese, lazy, uneducated union worker are coming to an end.
Follow Ups:
"wants the "big ole union" to protect him and his job."Apparently the point of a union has been lost in this discussion. Unions allow "all" employees to negioate from a position of equality. One person alone does not carry sufficient clout to negioate from an even position with a large company. A union cannot protect a peson's job, only set an agreed upon set of rules that the company AND employee agree to follow. It's called a collective bargaining agreement.
the day of the stupid, follow-like-sheep dunderheaded "union man" is on the wane.
Ah this point of stupid...I have to take issue with this. So all the union members are stupid....
Teachers. Nurses. Firefighters. Police Officers. Electricians. Pipefitters. Just to name a few. I think all of them would take issue with being called stupid.
How about me? I am a rank and file union member. I work in a paper mill. Operate heavy equipment. Also have a degree in Business Administration from Eastern Washington University. B.A in Sociology from EWU. Graudiated with a 3.39. Care to call me a stupid union member also?
One thing I have discovered about working with these blue collar. "stupid, follow-like-sheep dunderheaded "union man" that you call them. Is that they can be every bit as smart and intelligent as an educated engineer. Many cases they would have made an excellent mechanical, electrical, chemical enginner, but their life path did not allow them the opportunity to go to school. NEVER assume they are stupid. All you are doing is exposing your own ignorance.
"The days of the obese, lazy, uneducated union worker are coming to an end."
Unions ar enot the powerhouse they were in the post WWII era, that is true.It is a symptom of what has gone wrong with this country. Too many manufacturing jobs have been lost oveseas. The goods being produced there are still needed by this economy, and should be made within our borders. The loss of these jobs cannot be the sole fault of union labor. (Actually with union labor you get better trained employees and a stable work force. Things that are needed to be successful in the manufacturing process.) Companies no longer take a long term look to the future. The value of the stock share can have more relevance than the product being produced today. Multi-national companies have no concern about what the effects of thier action are on individuals, states, or even the countries economy. Yet their charter is still in the US. Shouldnt they be held accountable for their actions?
You talk of the damage that unions have done to businesses, and how they handicap them. But business is more than capable of damaging themselves. It is white collar managers who are responsible for
Enron
Halliburton No-Bid contract awards
Anderson-Lay accounting scandles
the S&A disaster of the 80's
the Love Canal incident on the East Coast
the latest pipeline problems in Alaskaand the list can go on. Costs millions if not billions of dollars. All by their own hand.
I honestly believe that only organized labor is capable of negioating with large businesses on an equal footing. Companies do not want to pay a respectalbe wage if they don't have to. Thats why they make use of cheap foreign labor. It's easier to exploit another countries poor people. Organized labor is the only way to obtain a living wage from a company consistently.
Regards,
Mister Pig
Mister Pig,Keep drinking the Koolaid.
You and I see the working world from polar opposite perspectives. The good news is - my side is winning. The sooner unions are gone the better.
Please address if the issues brought up. Leave the rhetoric at home. If you can't discuss the points of contention intelligently, then don't post.
Who are you to dictate what my response should be. I have no obligation at all to respond to your union brainwashing.The truth of the matter is that I know your position and you know mine. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. So I'm not going to waste a lot of my time with some long, time-consuming response to your issues. I have a business to run and if I spend too much time here and ignore the needs of my business and my employees, they may get the dumb idea that they should "organize".
"I have no obligation at all to respond to your union brainwashing."It is interesting to note that your comments consist of name calling and rhetoric.
Yes I know your position, i have a degree in business admin, and I have been a manager.
I had high hopes that an intelligent discussion could take place. I guess I was wrong.
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