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In Reply to: nonsense posted by troporobo on March 28, 2007 at 17:14:40:
I've been around consumer formats since the 1960's, and have been buying them myself since 1975.This music market is LOUSY compared to how they sold records and tapes in the 1970's.
It went to crap, right after they released the CD. They cut their own throats there. Great short term marketing plan, but lousy long term plan.
It cut quality of music down, MP3's are not high-rez. A low-fi stereo turntable from the 1970's sounds better, with 33rpm vinyl.
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Are you serious? Your rationale makes no sense.A crap turntable from 30 years ago had rumble, clicks and pops. The internals were wired with bad lampcord. Phono inputs on an average receiver of the day were dismal. Interconnects were likely masking some of these weaknesses by not passing enough of the signal to the amplification. And what signal did pass through was likely not very close to great sound once early transistors got hold of it. I will give you this: a bad analog recording is more listenable on good analog equipment that bad digital is on good digital equipment.
More people are buying music today than ever before, the problem is that the BUSINESS of selling music has become vastly more competitive and complex. I no longer HAVE to buy locally if I choose not to. I no longer have to buy a whole album to get one song I heard on the radio. My serious listening is still done on serious equipment but in the car.......the Ipod......Additionally, the real cost for the purchase of an lp/disk is lower than it was 30 years ago when adjusted for inflation. Artists today are getting paid more and the companies less. The brick and mortar business model is no longer absolutely viable, they better have something else to sell. I remember the best record stores 30 years ago also sold some really cool bongs and other items of interest. Maybe that was the beginning of the end. In the 50's you could go into a store then go into a sound room and listen before you bought. Remember? Now, on line, that method of making a purchasing decision has returned. Back in the day when I would go album shopping, I had to plan the record purchase for last simply because I could not risk leaving them in the car for any duration.....got to avoid the warping.
If you want to assume that everyone else is wrong because the average consumer is listening to Ipods then compare that to the average consumer 30 years ago. They were listening to mono table radios or their car radio. One of the highest volume autos sold at the time was the Oldsmobile Cutlass. You could special order that car with an AM/FM Delco stereo and an optional cassette. Think back. There was no mass market gear that would convert someone then, at least today theres a chance. Stop drinking the coolaid and honestly look at the market. Consumers make decisions on quality, convenience and price. The balance of those affects where the money flows no matter how bad we want the hi-end biz to be, we are a niche.
Most bad equipment today is much better than average equipment from 30 years ago.
I had all-in-ones that sounded better than any MP3 made- and as good as CD 44/16even SACD has a thin sound to it
any single-play Sony-Pioneer-Technics table from the 70's will sound better than a CD- I've head at least a dozen of them, and have kept 4, and sold the rest
it's all in the resolution- analog resolution isn't in bits, it's actually the molecules of vinyl or magnetic iron oxide tape- to match that resolution, digital would need like a million bit sampling
how many vinyl molecules go past the stylus per second on a 33 rpm LP ?
how many iron oxide molecules go past a 1/4" tape head at 3.75 IPS in one second ?
millions- maybe billions- of molecules- as bits of information- if you want more "bits" in analog, you make the stylus/grooves wider, increase the platter speed, or make the tape wider, and increase the tape speed- tape at 30 IPS or vinyl at 78rpm can never be equalled by digital-
analog has way more resolution than you can make with a computer program, which basically is what a CD or MP3 is. And the digital screws up the rez and signal in the process, by altering it up/down to mock the sound curve
Wow you pass off ignorance as knowledge, prejudice as judgment.
Akai M8,You are smoking some serious herb....
"I had all-in-ones that sounded better than any MP3 made- and as good as CD 44/16 even SACD has a thin sound to it"
That is a factually incorrect statement. Why am I even responding?
"any single-play Sony-Pioneer-Technics table from the 70's will sound better than a CD- I've head at least a dozen of them, and have kept 4, and sold the rest"
Akai M8, are you serious? You can't be....maybe the beeping from the french fry machine distracted you. Blanket statements like these show that you may not know what you are talking about. There is no doubt that great vinyl systems sound wonderful. Your description of why analog tape, lp etc sounds better is fundamentally flawed....in other words, you don't know what you are talking about. Excellent analog sounds very pleasing as does excellent digital....both require alot of work, money and compromise.
In my original e-mail, I was referring to the mass market where average digital has won the war due to convenience, acceptable(to some) sound quality and price factored in. You can preach about the digital armageddon all you want but the consumer has spoken. There were incredible buggy whip makers at one time too. I'm sure the Sony/Pioneer/Technics in your setup must be incredible for you to make statements such as these. You might list your setup (be truthful now) so we can get a basis for your assertions.
I was merely making observations about the music biz. Peace.
And yeah, I would really rather listen to a five dollar, plastic, swap meet special/turntable, spinnin' licorice pizza. Than didge. Every time. Are their new artists worth listening to? Sure. But I'll never hear them.
bleah!
see it here- analog is superiorhttp://i11.tinypic.com/2s7x9o8.jpg
expand image to read- place cursor on page- when box at lower right appears, click on it- page will maximize-
also read it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither
if digital was so darn handy, why does it need dither to make is listenable ?
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