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In Reply to: Get your facts straight, cheerleader. posted by Charles Hansen on March 19, 2007 at 19:30:00:
you should quote the whole text:"This is the reason I want a Blu ray player. Finally I can get the live music with sound in better than CD quality, with pictures.
This is the closest you can get to the live performance today."
The DVD format is very far from being as close to the live performance as Blu ray.
The limited datarate of DVD prevents that. And you know that.
A DVD audio disc do multichannel 96kHz 24 bit and still pictures. Still pictures are not what I call live !
To get DVD facts, please read this link
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< < To get DVD facts, please read this link > >Ole, you make me laugh. I have been reading Jim Taylor's books and his "DVD-FAQ" for over a decade. It's too bad you stopped reading the FAQ in section #1. If you kept reading, you might learn something.
1) DVD-Video has a maximum data rate of 9.8 Mbps. Of this, a maximum of 6.144 Mbps can be allocated to audio. If a 96/24 soundtrack is employed, this will use 4.608 Mbps, leaving roughly 5.2 Mbps for the video.
2) 5.2 Mbps will allow very-good to excellent (but not reference) video quality for most scenes (especially the kind of scenes that would be found in music videos). Only a handful of discs were made with 96/24 and full-motion video (to my knowledge). Two examples are on Chesky records, one with Chuck Mangione and one with Sara K. (The video on these discs is noticeably sub-par, but that was due to poor authoring and not format limitations.)
3) Sales of these discs were poor for one big reason. By and large, the people that care about 96/24 (ie, excellent sound quality) don't care to watch pictures and/or have a TV hooked up to their stereo system.
Sure, it's possible to exceed the performance level of DVD-Video. Just as it's possible to exceed the performance level of Blu-ray. But just because it's possible doesn't mean that people will care or buy it. Sure, there will always be fanatics like you that buy a new player when there is only a handful of software titles available. But that doesn't mean that a format will be successful.
And as I pointed out, your claim "Finally I can get the live music with sound in better than CD quality, with pictures" is, in fact, wrong. A handful of DVD-Video discs with 96/24 LPCM have been available for many years. A lot of DVD-Video discs with 48/24 have also been available for many years. Both of these examples have moving pictures. Both have sound "in better than CD quality".
So like I said, your "finally" exclamation is nearly 10 years behind the times.
In three years, Sony will probably come out with "Purpl-ray". Will you be the first in line to buy into this attempt to boost Sony sagging stock prices? (You will have to trade in your blue pom-poms for purple ones!)
I bought the Sarah K DVD many years ago. This fact makes you look a bit silly.And you have now confirmed that Blue ray is better.
So you are slowly catching up with me. Maybe you will make a Blu ray player, before the next format arrives :-)Until now the sound on the Band "The last waltz" on DVD with pictures is Dolby Digital 5.1 .
It this famous concert I write about in my post. Notice the headline, please. And the begining of the post. Do you need new reading glasses?
So in case of this concert, I correctly write, "Finally I can get the live music in better than CD quality, with pictures."
This new Blu ray disc with Band "The last waltz" has PCM 5.1 and pictures. See link.There are other concerts, also HD DVD. Buying a Toshiba HD DVD player and the software I like, before they disappear, is not be a problem for me.
I can afford to buy players and software for many formats.I have bought these so far:
JVC DVD audio player
Philips SACD 1000 (working fine because I changed it)
Pioneer DVD Audio SACD player
Sanyo Super VHS
Sony Betamax Hifi
Harman Kardon Compact Cassette
Otari 15" 1/4" 1/2 track stereo master.
Tandberg 7 1/2" and 3 3/4" 1/4 track stereo
Michell LP player
Pioneer LaserdiscBased on this list, I support a lot of diffrent companies stock price:-) I also have a SONY TV, but you also have a SONY TV!
Maybe you are a closet SONY cheerleader ?Another fact you ignore, is that Blu ray is made by many other companies like Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer and Philips.
So why do you keep talking about SONY? An engineer needs to be more objective.
- http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?userid=99365524739698&item_id=1058080&searchID=5885473 (Open in New Window)
All this time I had interpreted your posts to mean that generically Blu-ray offered "better-than-CD-sound" with pictures. My drug-addled brain has finally figured out that you meant you could finally get the specific title "The Last Waltz" with "better-than-CD-sound" with picture.Then you are even crazier than I originally thought:
1) Only a crazy person would buy a $1000 player simply to play one disc.
2) That disc is also available on vinyl, which will sound far better than the Blu-ray version (although you'll either have to imagine the pictures or else synch up your turntable to your DVD player).
3) The soundtrack is not that great to begin with. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia entry, "Like the music in the film itself, [the music on the LP] was almost totally overdubbed in post-production, owing to many faults during the concert." So if you want an "almost totally overdubbed" version of a live concert, that it your privilege, but I think you are crazy.
But go ahead, get your disc and your player while you can, before they discontinue them.
The Band first album got me hooked in my youth. Sadly I could not go to this concert, so the Blu-ray disc with all it faults is the best way for me to experience this unique concert. LP is fine, but not the same experience.Some music I have in many formats, and 14 different LP versions of Dvorak 9th. Each give a different insight.
I only need a USD 599 PS3 and a USD 30 disc. I can then play it many times and share it with friends.
And the PS3 games will make my grand children very happy, so the real cost is the disc.I went to the Beatles Love show in Las Vegas this year, USD 165 for a nice seat. Crazy? Not if you love the Beatles.
Live concerts are expensive, including travel very expensive. But I pay gladly for the unique experience.
I spent 2x8 hours driving, a hotel night in Stockholm and the best tickets to hear Simon & Garfunkel live, perhaps for the last time.
Hearing Hillary Hahn, and talking with her after the concert, is also worth a lot to me.
Compared to above, the PS 3 and Blu ray disc is cheap.
Do you really think the SONY PS3 is going away soon? Then you are crazier than me.
< < I bought the Sarah K DVD many years ago. > >If that is true, then why in the world did you post "Finally I can get the live music in better than CD quality, with pictures."??? Is your brain so old that you had forgotten about the Sara K. disc?
< < And you have now confirmed that Blue ray is better. > >
Yes, Blu-ray is *capable* of better peformance than DVD-Video, which is *capable* of better performance than CD.
But Blu-ray is not *capable* of as good of performance as LP, which in turn is not as *capable* of good of performance as 30 ips master tapes.
But the point is not what the ultimate capability of a format is. I'm sure that in another year or two Sony will be trying to sell you "Purpl-ray" with even better capabilities. Or you and I could launch a new format with 512 kHz sampling at 32 bits floating point. Just look at what was announced at the recent CES -- reel-to-reel first generation dubs of open reel master tapes!
Tomlinson Holman has been talking for years now how much better his 10.2 system is than the current 5.1 system. So what's next, 20.4 channels? 40.8 channels?
The point is that 150 titles do not a format make. In other words, who flipping cares about Blu-ray and their 150 titles? No normal person does. And that means that the studios won't make any money selling the discs. And that means the format is already dead before it's even started.
Get back to me when there are 10,000 (or better yet, 50,000) Blu-ray titles available. Then I'll think about making a player. In the meantime get a life.
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