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In Reply to: Trusting your senses posted by Presto on March 20, 2007 at 15:43:46:
... and then, I listened to a needle scratching a groove and thought it sounded even better. I realized my ear/brain was being fooled, but I still kept on trusting the audible illusions. And what's worse, I did'nt care one iota that I was being fooled. So, now I know I'm a fool... What does it matter?
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> So, now I know I'm a fool... What does it matter?It matters because this will lead you to make different decisions in the future. Probably wiser ones.
We were talking about something else here. While you would'nt want to mistake a punching bag for your wife's face, acknowledging "foolishness" by allowing your senses to be completely tricked on occasion is one of the cornerstones of civilization. We acknowledge our own foolishness everday when we accept photography, recordings, literature, perfumes, food additives, and other lifelike facsimiles. This type of foolishness is not a cause for alarm, is usually not life-threatening, and it has nothing to do with decision making.
> We acknowledge our own foolishness everday when we accept photography,
> recordings, literature, perfumes, food additives, and other lifelike
> facsimiles. This type of foolishness is not a cause for alarm, is
> usually not life-threatening,I agree with every nuance.
> ...and it has nothing to do with decision making.
except this one.
Are you stating, to take the first item on you list, that you would make the same decisions if you thought a photograph of an apple was an apple and not a picture of an apple? I cannot believe this is your intention but that is what your words appear to say.
Why should the audiophile be concerned with decision making of the sort you mention? Playtime and the mechanisms behind it, nothing more...
> Why should the audiophile be concerned with decision making of the
> sort you mention?Of the sort I mention? This looks like strong projection on your part since I only mentioned decision making in a very general way and used a photograph (your example) and an apple as an illustration.
> Playtime and the mechanisms behind it, nothing
> more...You mention the mechanisms. A subjectivist would not concern themselves with the mechanisms. So for an objectivist like yourself do you find knowing about the tricks behind the illusions a help or a hindrance?
Actually, I am neither pure objectivist nor pure subjectivist and I suspect that most people are equally impure. If I have a tendency to start off as an objectivist I can turn into a subjectivist as soon as it is obvious that my objectivist viewpoints and methodologies will do me no good. And why would the subjectivist be mum about mechanisms? We all talk about the same things, but we apply our knowledge differently.
> If I have a tendency to start off as an objectivist I can turn into a
> subjectivist as soon as it is obvious that my objectivist viewpoints
> and methodologies will do me no good.I find this very hard to believe. If you know how an illusion is performed you cannot choose to forget at will so that it can be appreciated as an innocent.
> And why would the subjectivist be mum about mechanisms?
It is less keeping mum (not talking about?) than not dragging in stuff which lies outside the subjective domain of experience.
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