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In Reply to: Rap in 2007 R&R Hall of Fame ! Rap's NOT ROCK ! posted by JDLePera on March 12, 2007 at 20:42:59:
Your opinions are fine for you, - have a nice life.But, don't claim your tastes are facts that have a "right" and "wrong."
All you have to do is toss an IMO in front of what you say.....
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Whether rap is "music" is certainly subject to opinion. That rap is not "rock and roll" is, I would think, not subject to opinion. It is not. Whether the Sugar Hill Gang deserves inclusion into the Hall is debatable. I believe that the criteria is not whether it is rock per se, but rather whether it has influenced rock and rock and roll. I would think that a good argument can be made that they did.
Stream of consciousness talk over vocal, a "rap" had it's place in that super wide general category of "rock." I like to define "rock" very loose, and "rock-n-roll" as something tighter.I would consider Boston, Led Zeppelin, the Who, AC/DC, the Stones, and Bad Company "rock-n-roll" bands. you can call the Rap of Run DMC RAP MUSIC, or you can call their performance with the Rock-n-roll band Aerosmith as fitting into the looser category of "ROCK."
The Rock-n-roll hall of fame is not for Rock-n-roll bands, - but for bands that are tossed in the loose category of Rock, - of which the Beatles, the Wailers, and the Talking Heads are, - but I would call none of those 3 Rock-n-roll bands.
My definition may be whack..... but I shouldn't be held to a different standard than the original poster, - who is a music bigot.
The problem of leisure, what to do for pleasure. Ideal love a new purchase, a market of the senses. Dream of the perfect life.
Having been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a couple of times, once specifically for the Elvis exhibit, and once for the 60's Psychodelic exhibit, there is a lot of non-rock (or rock n' roll) in the museum. One of the criteria that they emphasize is that admission is not limited to rock and roll musicians, but also to musical performers who influenced rock n' roll.It appears that some people believe the Hall of Fame is only for rock musicians. Ain't so. Never was, and likely never will be. Ironically, nobody got their panties in a bunch when Miles Davis and John Coltrane were inducted, though I think it safe to say, at least with respect to Coltrane, he never played rock music. At least not on the approximately forty recordings in my collection.
The Sugar Hill gang is not rock. But whether the original poster likes it or not, rap has found its way into rock music, and the Sugar Hill gang, as the first popular rap act, arguably deserved to be included. Anyone listen to Hank Williams Sr. do "Fly Trouble?" Sounds a lot like rap to me.
...just a continuum and morphing of old traditions...
"I always play jazz records backwards, they sound better that way"
-Thomas Edison
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