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In Reply to: What Would Be Even Better Is..... posted by Todd Krieger on March 11, 2007 at 18:11:49:
No ideas here!clark
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Create a panel of at least 10 people who have demonstrated the ability to discern polarity. Their evaluations show matching or near-matching patterns of assessment amongst test tracks. (No guarantee this would actually occur, by the way. Such qualification could reveal totally random results, which would show no demonstrable ability to discern polarity. Even if a few may have done so.) If a track is independently recognized as a specific polarity by at least 80 percent of these members, albums or song tracks can then be registered into a public database as being "non-inverted", "inverted", "mixed, preferred non-inverted", "mixed, preferred inverted", "mixed, non-critical", and "inconclusive".If 80 percent of the evaluators consistently determine polarity as one of the above items, it's entered into the database as such. Otherwise, it's entered as "inconclusive".
The database would prove valuable for audiophiles, where they could just make such adjustments without having to pre-evaluate the music. It would also prove valuable in re-releasing albums, where any polarity corrections could then be applied to the new discs.
Tracks yet to be evaluated are assigned the tag "to be determined".
"Create a panel of at least 10 people…"Oh, the pain of it! A panel condemned to all listen to the same discs, and so many discs out there. So many discs I want to hear that many others don't, and vice versa.
We're talking about a task here, a chore, something that is serious work which places constraints on the individual panel member's personal listening. While I think I can discern polarity differences with some reliability, I don't want to be a member of that panel and my reservation has nothing at all to do with any fear that my ability to discern polarity might not pass the selection test. I simply don't want to spend a lot of time listening to more than a few discs I don't want to hear and this sort of project with a relatively small panel would entail listening to many discs I don't want to spend time listening to if it were to have any value to a broad range of listeners. These days I listen to about 70% jazz, some popular and world music but usually not current releases, and some classical on occasion. Even if we had separate panels for different music types and I was on the jazz panel, there's more than enough variety in jazz for me to have quite strong personal preferences about particular styles in jazz that I want to listen to and those I don't want to listen to. Opera panels would have divides between Wagnerphiles and non-Wagnerphiles, between those with a preference for bel canto Italian opera and those with preferences elsewhere, and so on. If you have only 1 panel, it would soon become a very unhappy panel and if you have more than 1 panel, you're likely to find that they all become unhappy but it just takes a little longer.
On the other hand, I think it's a great idea if I select the discs to be evaluated. The only problem there is I doubt there would be 9 others willing to accept my choice of listening program for the test process mush beyond the first listening session.
Sadly I think life may be too short for me to want to devote much of it to such a panel and I think quite a few others may feel the same way.
I'm simply too used to playing what I want to hear and I don't want to change. I admit it. I'm selfish and this is an altruistic project which strikes at the heart of my selfishness. I would not volunteer.
David Aiken
And this points to a worthwhile approach:Have 10 "Open Minded/ Open Eared" (TM) listeners who all agree on the test tracks or genres to be auditioned.
I think this solves all of the challenges, except unwillingness.
Unwillingness to participate is ok, we'll still share our results with you. $-)
Our own Ted Smith has very broad tastes, I'm sure he'd be interested.
I would too.
> Create a panel of at least 10 people who have demonstrated the ability to discern polarity.And how is that to be determined? I mean, I volunteer!
> Their evaluations show matching or near-matching patterns of assessment amongst test tracks. (No guarantee this would actually occur, by the way. Such qualification could reveal totally random results, which would show no demonstrable ability to discern polarity. Even if a few may have done so.)
But I thought we were qualified...
> If a track is independently recognized as a specific polarity by at least 80 percent of these members,
If the members are *any* damn good it will be 100%.
> albums or song tracks can then be registered into a public database as being "non-inverted", "inverted", "mixed, preferred non-inverted", "mixed, preferred inverted", "mixed, non-critical", and "inconclusive".
Good idea, BUT: How does one define "inverted" etc.? What's the reference?
> ...The database would prove valuable for audiophiles, where they could just make such adjustments without having to pre-evaluate the music.
That would be... kinda nice...
> It would also prove valuable in re-releasing albums, where any polarity corrections could then be applied to the new discs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (My most violent, raucous laugh.) THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! NEVER!!
> Tracks yet to be evaluated are assigned the tag "to be determined".
Or left blank.
Well at least we have some ideas on the table here.
clark
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