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In Reply to: Re: Academia and Hip-Hip posted by mauimusicman on March 6, 2007 at 12:48:11:
whereas previously I was just vaguely interested and amused. I really am trying to just let this go, yet it...lingers...and I can't possibly figure out WHY I'm concerned about your opinion or POV...anyway:I didn't specifically refer to you as any of those, and, in fact, directly replied to you in the referenced thread. (Ostrich was supposed to be plural, but may have come out possessive because I misplaced the ‘. Whatever...) That doesn't mean those particularly dismal displays aren't readily apparent in posts in the Finally! thread below, which you may have initiated, but certainly aren't the only contributor to, as there are over 80 posts in that thread. However, you’re certainly free to interpret any references as you see fit.
I don't necessarily think you're ignorant, though you certainly seem to be in some state of denial, for whatever reason. If you choose to disregard an established and recognized musical form as music, to not acknowledge it as such, that's your choice. Obviously you're not alone, and it certainly does no harm to the music.
“I can appreciate any artist that has taken the initiative to learn to play a musical instrument, ANY instrument, had inspiration to write lyrics and a melody, painstakingly record said work, etc... because I know how very difficult that is. Doesn't matter what type of music it is. It's one hell of an accomplishment.”
So, a long time friend of mine has played in various bands for 18-20 years, plays in an Afro-pop group, a jazz/experimental ensemble and has played on and off for an extended time with a pretty well known (and controversial) Hip-Hop band . All these bands have recorded and have releases out and he’s toured the USA and played gigs in several European countries with the J/E and the HH bands (out of respect for him I’m not going to mention his name or the bands, but they are all pretty well known. Any AA member that might want more info can email me...). A couple weeks ago he worked a club gig as the guitarist in a backing band supporting former Miles Davis bassist Michael Henderson.
So, although not a “professional” musician like yourself, he’s a semi-professional, very accomplished and talented guitarist, singer and writer. Do you ACTUALLY think his musical contributions, talents and painstaking efforts and contributions are any less relevant, any less REAL playing with the Hip-Hop band than with the other bands? At that point is it no longer "one hell of an accomplishment"? Even though it “Doesn't matter what type of music it is.”
I suppose the answer is yes, since you don’t consider Hip-Hop to be music.
I know for a fact that my friend is not the only musician playing music in a Hip-Hop band.
I still think you should just admit you just plain don’t like Hip-Hop.
Paris Hilton?
"I always play jazz records backwards, they sound better that way"
-Thomas Edison
Follow Ups:
If what you call "music" is performed by a "musician" that contains no melody, no musical instruments, and no singing, only talking, a drum machine and a VERY under-damped, high "Q" bass, then I cannot and will not consider that music. Nothing "Musical" about it. YOU can call it anything you like, Ok? If you follow it thru to it's logical conclusion, just as 3 chord rock-n-roll from the 50's HAD to evolve (how many 3 chord songs can one possibly write before they start sounding the same?) it also holds true for Rap. It will be interesting to see how many "Rappers" have the musical talent to evolve.
suit your narrow-minded views, are presumptous, contradict your previous statements and would seem to be a hypocrite.If your career as a "professional" musician bottoms out, you'd probably have a rosy future in politics, or organized religion...
Fine. So certain types of 20th century classical, free jazz, Avant Garde and experimental musics, amongst others I'm not thinking of at the moment, don't merit as music by your definition then either? Basically anything you can't hum along to, is that what it is?
"Doesn't matter what type of music it is. It's one hell of an accomplishment.”
You should ammend that to "no matter what type of music it is, by my definition of what music is..." and "one hell of an acomplishment DEPENDING what type of music is being played"
BTW, the Hip Hop band my friend plays/played music with uses a real, live, human drummer, so you can yet again redefine your definition(s)
(because, let's face it, your definitions seem to be in constant flux to suit your purpose) of Hip-Hop, or rap, as you prefer to call it.It must a pleasant place, your world.
Paris Hilton?
"I always play jazz records backwards, they sound better that way"
-Thomas Edison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yHBAEk1RM8
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