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In Reply to: I love it when people say: "I listen to "Opera", "classical"....who the F@@#! cares? posted by Green Lantern on March 2, 2007 at 08:30:29:
How does locker room poetry( Junior High School at that) set to stolen music( you say sampled I say stolen) rate as an art form?!?!?
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Artists and those who enjoy art are always reinterpretting thier relationships with artifacts of the creative process, hence, works such as the cow dung virgin mary piece. Neither the artists nor the patrons can actually define "art" with any resolute universality becuase the framework and potential examples are constantly changing. the semantics of "art" are a moving target.Punk music, in similar fashion to Hip Hop, began as a question of "artist". Does one need training in music to create music? Does one need training in music to enjoy music? I don't know how to play your stupid fancy guitar, but I've got something to say through noises I make with my piece of shit guitar...If music as an art form is considered to be an expressionistic endeavor, then it follows that ANYONE who feels or emotes has the ability to create some art.
Now, the real question here is not one of Hip Hop being an art form... those of you that say things like "I'll NEVER consider that tripe music or art" are typical, snooty, pessimistic close-minded baffoons, you are old, you are dinosaurs, and tho your opinions are welcome, you are largely hot air... the question should be understood as one of intent:
Is Rap intending to voice some sort of emotion or explicate some human condition through music?
or is it trying to manufacture a product for sale? I think the industry itself is performing checks and balances, and calling itself out. Lower sales are indicative of this... people are tired of listening to manufactured Rap product. Afterall, we can only hear so many songs about expensive cars with 24" rims before we start to grow bored with the recipe.
There's a lot of contemporary hip hop that certainly aims to voice some specific emotion, and bring to light conditions you (the old dinosaurs) will never experience due to your paralyzing fear of change. It's okay, though, go sip your congac and 'pump' some opera-drivel through your exorbitant hi-fi while your tired body whithers away in that hideous leather chair... the children of the ghetto will be trying to find their voices thru music without you. And they'll do fine.
the Virgin Mary created from cow dung. Offensive to some, art to others. Just because you don't 'agree' with an interpretation doesn't give you or anyone else for that matter to determine what 'art' is.
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I'd say that since 'sampled' as it is used in this context strongly implies that the owners of the copyrights have been financially compensated, that someone who doesn't know what the word 'stolen' means lacks credibility in the discussion.I'm not interested in the railings against the obvious, though I'm sure it makes you feel better to have pointed out for us what we can all see & hear all by ourselves, thank you very much. I'm far more interested in the low percentage of this particular 'art form' that I find worthwhile rather than pointing out ad nauseum that the much higher percentage of it that I don't is deficient in this area, or anti-social in that area, or violent & offensive over here, or misogynistic & racially insensitive over there. I do know that Berklee School Of Music has offered hip-hop classes, and I do believe that a look at the current roster of Blue Note Records might address this question of yours also.
Too bad Miles Davis passed, you could've asked him, since the last project he was working on when he died was a rap album.
Perhaps you feel you know more about rating art forms than he did.
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Come up to me with your 'what did you say?' and I'll tell you straight in the eye: DIY
They used to say the same thing about Verdi.
Not sure if that was facetious or not, but I don't care. Works either way.
It must be the week for green. I'm still trying to figure out why Sibelius would want to order up a green fireplace.
How can that be?
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