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In Reply to: An afternoon at the symphony posted by Big Dave on February 27, 2007 at 16:12:02:
OK, that's a troll. But at least he is MY favorite 20th century composer.EBerlin: Elliot Carter is right up there too. The most listenable of atonal composers in my modest listening experience.
Bill Bailey
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Whats wrong with Stockhausen, Xenakis, Ligeti, Varese, John Cage, Pierre Henry. I think these people are up there in the greatest avant garde group.
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was, of course, Stravinsky. He was only serial for a while, and almost never atonal--even when serial--so perhaps he doesn't qualify.
Wow, I love Stravinsky, do not care for Shokastovich at all, I suppose I do not care much for his brand of atonal music, but saying that even his early compositions IMO do not have the quality of the likes of Stravinsky and Prokofiev.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Shostakovich isn't even *close* to atonal, and my post was largely about Stravinsky.
Put to down to a lack of musical education, I was speaking with my foot in my mouth! That said I love Stravinsky, but do not care much for Shostokavich.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Shostakovich atonal? No.
Bill Bailey
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Put it down to lack of knowledge on my side! Thanks for the correction. As an aside, I love a lot of Stravinsky's reportoire and conversely there is not much that I warm to in Shostakovich reportoire.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Sibelius home Ainola. From wikipedia "...designed by the famous Finnish architect Lars Sonck. The only requests Sibelius had for Sonck were to include both a lakefront view and a green fireplace in the dining room."Now I want a green fireplace. Don't tell me suggestion doesn't have its power. I could go for some Taco Bell too, now that I think about it. The clock strikes 12.
Shostakovich is essentially 'post-Mahlerian' composer. Stockhausen et al is post-war avangard.So it is like apples and oranges. There is no such a thing like 20th Century music. There is a music of those who continued the classical tradition, like Second Vienese School, Bartok, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, among the most prominent --- and those who radically broke away, sometime in late 40th-early 50th, primarily Darmstadt School (Stockhausen, Boulez, at some later point - Ligeti), Xenakis and others. With Edgar Varese as a sort of their predecessor.
So does it make sense to say: who's better: Shostakovich or Xenakis. Say, take Shostakovich 'Leningrad' Symphony and Xenakis' Metastasis. Both are written as a reaction on some War events. Both are very impressive and in fact talk about very personal (and highly tragic) experience. Yet these compositions belong to completely different traditions. It probably makes sense to ask "Shostakovich vs Mahler" or "Xenakis vs Ligeti", but not Shostakovich vs Xenakis.
I wouldn't say there was anything wrong with them; on the contrary I like them all more or less -- well maybe Xenakis a little less than the rest. I haven't heard any work by Pierre Henry unfortunately.
Bill Bailey
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See my stereo config ... but always looking for cost effective improvements
Try Pierre Henry The Door And The Sigh. This is available on the Silver Philips label. The only place you will find it is on ebay and usually someone from France. Make sure it is the original green label.
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