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In Reply to: MLP is the core technology for Dolby TrueHD . Therefore , Dolby TrueHD should be discussed in DVD-Audiobahn . ..... posted by ZS KEKL on January 11, 2007 at 00:13:14:
The whiners from the Hi-rez forum are controlling what content can be discussed on this forum.
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Seems to me that it is ZS KEKL who essentially controls the content, as he is the most prolific poster. I don't see too many High-Rez folk starting threads, just responding to some.
you spend more time bitchin' and moanin' about this or that than you do actually talking about DVDA/DD software/hardware.When we start getting TruHD albums only, then we can include them here in the future. If the main characteristic of the disc is to watch moving pictures on a TV screen or monitor, it should be discussed either in the MUSIC or VIDEO Asylums.
Have you read my responses to the good Doctor? I've been trying to get to some content myself. That includes equipment for DVD-A as well.
I can see that you want to keep it DVDA, maybe it was Pacman who wants to take the shotgun approach?Sorry.
Personally, I don't have an issue with TruHD being discussed here when and if they start releasing MUSIC albums on the format. As it stands now, Concert videos w/HiRez seem to me to be more Video oriented, rather then purely musical, ah-la SACD, DVDA and DD.
I would ask rather which audience is more likely to interested in discussing the hi-rez capability and quality of these concert releases.A video forum is of course interested in good quality audio, but the emphasis is on the video, and discussions of titles targeted at hi-rez audiences, such as these concert albums that are being discussed are of secondary interest to such a group. I do in fact belong to HD video discussion groups, and though they do discuss TrueHD and audio qualite, there is pretty much zero interest in the releases aimed at the music market, such as these concerts. When it comes to releases, they are much more likely to discuss the next great movie coming out in HD. This is why I don't feel that video forums are the proper venue for such discussions.
Since we are heading into a richer multimedia future, I think you need to understand that the line between the two formats will become fuzzier as we move forward, so the target audience needs to be taken into consideration not just the included mediums.
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You have already made it 100% clear that you are not interested in anything DVD-Audio has to offer beyond the music. However, this is a distinct forum from the Hi-rez Highway for more than one reason, because some are interested in richer media experience that is still oriented towards hi-rez audio.That is what one of things that is special with DVD-Audio, that it can offer more than that. And next generation music albums can potentially offer even richer experiences. Video has been cited as the distinguihing difference, but why should future music releases not enhance an album with more than just static images if they are able?
I think the distinction is who is the target audience for a release, not what additional capabilities such a release might have. Should future generation albums restrict themselves from having a video component, creating a fuller multi-media experience to make such as you happy?
You have said in a recent post that you don't like dealing with menus and such (even though this is not necessarily a requirement for albums put together right), but that you deal with it because ultimately it is the music you are interested in. In that case, are you not interested in live performances with hi-rez audio obviously geared to discerning listeners? If you are interested in the music, as you say, then I don't see why the video component should annoy you more than the static video component included on DVD-A. It is still your choice to watch it or not.
DVD-A was designed from the get-go to offer a more multimedia experience than what is offered by traditional albums. New generation technologies expands on that capability.
My last post on the matter."However, this is a distinct forum from the Hi-rez Highway for more than one reason, because some are interested in richer media experience that is still oriented towards hi-rez audio."
Yes, operative word being "some" (are interested. Others are not. DVD-A SOUNDS different than SACD.
"Video has been cited as the distinguihing
difference, but why should future music releases not enhance an album with more than just static images if they are able?'I don't want static images either. I listen. When I go to a concert, I close my eyes.
"Should future generation albums restrict themselves from having a video component, creating a fuller multi-media experience to make such as you happy?"No, it needn't restrict itself at all, but it should be discussed in the Video forum where that it is the focus.
"...you don't like dealing with menus and such (even though this is not necessarily a requirement for albums put together right), but that you deal with it because ultimately it is the music you are interested in. In that case, are you not interested in live performances with hi-rez audio obviously geared to discerning listeners?"Of course I'm interested in it. My interest in music has nothing to do with my abhorence of having a video monitor in my audio system.
"If you are interested in the music, as you say, then I don't see why the video component should annoy you more than the static video component included on DVD-A. It is still your choice to watch it or not."No, you don't seem to understand this very simple idea: no monitor means it is hard to get to the music. I don't want staic images either. Why is this so hard to understand?
There are topics of interest other than KEKL's posts, but the moderators apparently feel that they need to be heavy handed about other types of related discussions. So of course there isn't much of other interest.Yes, at the moment KEKL is the primary contibutor - but he actually does contribute information. The members who attack him do so because they think it is some form of game (by their own admission), but that seems to be ok with the moderators.
One of the reasons is that MLP technology is heading in new directions, and that is what this forum should also be about, especially when the discussion is on the audio component.
Hi-rez releases of Live concerts is more relevant to members of this forum, IMO, than they are to members of the Video forum. I listened to the Heart concert yesterday and it was unquestionable hi-rez audio, even if the mixes were muddy as is often the case with live concerts - but even with those there were excellent moments in that concert.
The fact that it also contains stunning video of the band playing that music does not stop the fact that the music is what is of interest to members of this forum.
Sorry if I did, I've been on vacation. Could you explain to me what happened?Even if I did miss something (and I apologize to you if I did), I still don't understand even the idea of a war between format proponents at this stage in the (non)development of high resolution formats. Just seems incredibly short-sighted and inevitably self-destructive (sort of like nuclear war).
A thread about video players was moved to the Video Asylum, and Dr. Octo seems to be quite upset over this.
MLP is for audio purposes and even if it is part of an AV package, AV also includes Audio, therefore discussions on the hi-rez Audio portion and harware related to it should be allowed on this forum.You apparently think there are way too many threads to weed through in this forum and could not stand discussions related to new MLP capable hardware devices.
http://www.videoasylum.com/ht/messages/24034.html
and I come down on the side of the move.At one point, you stated that you were interested in all high resolution formats, and that's why you think MLP ought to be a part of the DVD-Audiobahn. Well, if that's the case, then SACD should be part of this Forum too. Oops, we all know where that got us.
Can I play this new stuff on my DVD-A player? No? Then it doesn't belong here...
Both DVD-Audio and TrueHD are derived from MLP. SACD is an entirely different technology (which I also support), but since they were competing with each technology wise, it made some sense to break them up - though since they both give great hi-rez audio, I personally feel that they could have stayed together.However, there is no such war between DVD-Audio and TrueHD, in fact one is the technological successor to the other. Because of that succession, it makes sense to me that it is of interest to some of us on this forum - and lets face it, not all discussions are of interest to everybody so if some like Racerguy can't countenance any variation in the discussions on this forum, he has the choice to skip over them.
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