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On November 29, 2006 , the print edition of The Wall Street Journal had a loving review of The Beatles - Love .This review was announced on the front page of The Wall Street Journal , just above The Wall Street Journal banner .
The Wall Street Journal review , appearing in the Leisure & Arts section , contains the following comments :
" The Beatles - Love package includes two discs - one a standard CD , the other a DVD audio version " .
" Love is fresh , seamless , and musically coheshive " .
" The fidelity is remarkable " .
" What emerges on Love is the breadth and complexity of The Beatles' music " .
" Love encourages the listener to listen actively to The Beatles to hear their music as fresh and innovative " .
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It's great to see The Wall Street Journal talking about The Beatles - Love .
It's , also , great to see The Beatles - Love receiving lots of excellent publicity , and lots of love , from The Wall Street Journal , and from many other newspapers and magazines , too .
The Beatles - Love is a worldwide hit , and DVD-A has got it !!!!
Yeah , Yeah , Yeah .... Yeah !!!!
ZS KEKL
Follow Ups:
I just got the disc in the mail (extended lunch break today! YEAHHH!!!!!!).I have to say, this sounds pretty damn good! I've got the Blackbird/Yesterday track on right now, and the wife and I are almost slackjawed at how good this sounds. Of course, the surround is incredible too. Some of it is pure gimmickery, while other bits are sheer genius...
Let me take down...
Cheers,
Dman
GREAT GEAR DESTROYER!!!
but in the end, who cares. Like everything else in music, some will like it and some won't.I like the Beatles myself, but you've really driven this topic into the ground.
Are you a mod or a rocker?
while over in Hi-Rez Highway , you are saddled with discussing the tired , old " Do SACDs sound better than CDs ? " topic for the 1000th time .My horse is better than your horse .... much better .
Tunenut , you asked me if I am " a Mod or a Rocker ? " .
I'm a Mocker !!!!
LOL
ZS KEKL
you knew John Lennon's answer...I cited the Mojo review long long ago. In this very forum.As far as the tired old "format war," you are the only one who cares anymore. I have plenty of SACDs I enjoy and I still get a few.
But most of the music I care about does not come out on SACD or on DVD-A. Some on vinyl but mostly on CD. And that's how it's always been.
In the last month I bought a box set by Billy Bragg, another by Richard Thompson, a new release by Mojave 3, an old one by John Cale, 3 more old ones by Scott Walker, the new one by Scritti Politti, a bunch of classical music by Beethoven, Harry Partch, and others- and in fact a lot more as well.
You think everyone else is obsessed over formats. But you and a couple others are the only ones.
" I'm a Mocker " , in A Hard Day's Night .ZS KEKL
NT
You should be in your own Broken Record section.
Quadzilla , you are constantly crying because The Beatles are on DVD-A , and are not on your beloved SACD .I must say that I am laughing at you , every time that you post your tears .
LOL
ZS KEKL
P.S. I expect that you will continue to make more of your crybaby posts . So , here's an extra LOL , in advance :
LOL
Who talks like that? You can't possibly think ANYONE takes you serious. Even YOU aren't that dilusional. As for my format preferences, I REFUSE to tell you YET AGAIN that I have NO PREFERENCE ... but your level of literacy stands in the way of your comprehension.
makes me laugh , even more , AT you .LOL
LOL
LOL
ZS KEKL
No LOL required. You are the joke. Moderators, why is this "person" still allowed here? Didn't you kick him out ... or at least warn him about being such a dick-head?
Significantly, it's not a dual-disc either. I believe you considered the introduction of the Dualdisc as the breaking of the 7th and Final Seal, ushering in New Beginning. Also, about 98.7 of the Amazon reviewer, (those typically most passionate about music and its reproduction, don't say a thing about DVDA. To say that "DVDA's got it," is a little wishful. It just happens to have DVDA.Which is increasingly...so...
...Yesterday. LOL
You wrote:-> > Also, about 98.7 of the Amazon reviewer . . . don't say a thing about DVDA" < <
(a) That's another figment of your twisted imagination; or,
(b) your mathematics never graduated beyond kindergarten; or,
(c) your eyesight is failing you in your old age.(Or all of the above)
Anyway, let’s analyse your numbers: Since there are [presently] 80 reviews on Amazon.com, and if, as you say, "about 98.7% . . . don't say a thing about DVDA", then that leaves just 1.3% who do.
Moreover, out of 80 reviews, that would equate to just 1 review that actually mentions DVD-Audio. But I can count far more positive mentions of DVD-A than that.
Dear John, there's a phrase: "Give somebody enough rope and they'll hang themselves."
Well John, at this point in time you really must be the undead.
b.t.w. Wikipedia definition of "undead":-
"Undead is the collective name for all types of supernatural entities that are deceased yet behave as if alive. Undead may be spiritual, such as ghosts, or corporeal, such as animated corpses."
"But I can count far more positive mentions of DVD-A than that."OK, 9 out of 80. Far more; far more.... Don't be ashamed, I tend to be similarly generous when describing my private parts on internet dating sites.
"Undead is the collective name for all types of supernatural entities that are deceased yet behave as if alive. Undead may be spiritual, such as ghosts, or corporeal, such as animated corpses."
Ah, definition "b)" in Wikipedia. Definition "a)"
"Undead is the collective name for all types of hi-rez entities that are deceased yet behave as if alive. Undead may be 1bit, such as SACD, or PCM, such as DVDA. : )
> > OK, 9 out of 80. < <John, another lie from a pathetic moron, such as you are. And clutching at straws, as you can only do.
A quick scan reveals about 20 reviews that mention DVD-A.
That's 20 out of 83, which is about a quarter. Now consider that this title has been around the top 10 in "Music" on Amazon.com for around a fortnight, and that represents a lot of folks who are getting it knowing what DVDA is. Add to this tally, the folks who are listening to the MLP, but who are writing a rave review, and who do not exlicitly mention DVD-A.
Oh, and add to those, customers of this title who will soon upgrade to a full DVD-A player (either going from DVD-V, and/or by adding the six analog interconnects to their DVDA-capable player).
Not that I don't think that it's great a hi-rez title is doing well but what % of that quarter of reviews probably does not really understand what DVD-A is and think that the 5.1 DD or DTS sound is the same? I have friends who work in the high end shop and I bet you'd be surprised how much people don't know what they are buying whether that is a DVD-A when they're listening to compressed 5.1 sound or an SACD and they're listening to the player connected with the digital out (just getting what is on the CD layer) and thinking how great SACD sounds. People who really have knowledge and care about hi-rez are a very small minority, even of those who have playback capability. But I do hope we see more stuff like the Beatles or the Doors.
Here's a quote from:-http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752807&page=2&pp=30
> > Originally Posted by gigaguy
The release of this DVD-A is prompting me to research buying a high-res audio stereo setup, plus I was wanting a video surround system anyway for my new HDTV.Does the high-res receiver amp have to have DVD-A circuitry necessarily, if a DVD player has the DVD-A feature in it. I know you need the 6 analog connection.
There are two ways of hooking it up.If you use analogue 5.1 connections, then all normal receivers will just be a pretty dumb pass through - they will apply nothing more than level calibration and the master volume control. All the calibration (speaker availability/size/distance/level) and resultant processing (bass management, delays, downmixing) has to be set up in the player. So you don't need any special facilities in the receiver at all; it just acts like a simple 6-channel amp. Actually, there is one thing - you will need to make sure the receiver will easily apply a +10dB or +15dB boost (depending on player setup) to the subwoofer input; some receivers don't have this.
If you want to use a digital hook-up, then HDMI 1.1, i.Link (=IEEE 1394/Firewire) or Denon Link will do the job. Digital has the advantage that the receiver should be able to provide extra processing (room equalisation, better bass management, Pro Logic IIx etc). And it's tidier. But again there may be problems with LFE level with some receivers.
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A possible future car I may buy has DVD-audio too (Acura RL). May just get the DVD-A Disc and go for an extended test drive! Will it play in this car?, still blurry on DVD-A and DVD video audio. I take it the 'Love' disc is not a standard DVD-A disc.
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Yes, it will play. Love is a standard DVD-Audio disc. Like almost all DVD-Audio discs, it also contains a DVD-Video layer for backwards compatibility; this is totally separate content, although it looks superficially similar. The car's player will be DVD-Audio only, so will ignore the DVD-Video layer. You also won't see any of the video displays from the DVD-Audio layer - you'll just use normal track navigation buttons.
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[END OF AVSFORUM EXTRACT]HighEndWire, in short, many prospective hirez newbies ARE asking lots of DVD-A setup questions, and eventually getting the hang of DVDA one way or another.
And regarding your comment: "Not that I don't think that it's great a hi-rez title is doing well but what % of that quarter of reviews probably does not really understand what DVD-A is and think that the 5.1 DD or DTS sound is the same? "
Well, what more evidence do we need than the recent DSOTM Alan Parsons mix DVDA with over 3gigs of MLP? Why were there several hundred thousand downloads, using those awkward Torrent portals, and for which in some cases folks were prepared to wait several days to save on their hard-drives? -- Folks who could have instead chosen to download one of the previously available DTS-compressed bootlegs in much less time and hassle. That speaks for itself. In fact, I'm sure this was not lost on Floyd's record label -- EMI -- when deciding to publish "Love" on hirez DVDA.
"Well, what more evidence do we need than the recent DSOTM Alan Parsons mix DVDA with over 3gigs of MLP? Why were there several hundred thousand downloads, using those awkward Torrent portals, and for which in some cases folks were prepared to wait several days to save on their hard-drives? -- Folks who could have instead chosen to download one of the previously available DTS-compressed bootlegs in much less time and hassle. That speaks for itself. In fact, I'm sure this was not lost on Floyd's record label -- EMI -- when deciding to publish "Love" on hirez"Well Martin, in all seriousness, it does speak for itself. Several hundred downloads, (with an emphasis on the "downloads") should have EMI shaking in their boots with regard to packaged media.
The other posts still suggest that there is confusion and education needed, 6 years after the fact.
Again, in all seriousness: What I'm looking for is the moment of "critical mass," a point at which a vast majority of newly-recorded packaged media is hi-rez of some sort, and the vast majority of hi-rez historical remasterings are made directly from analog master tapes. (Of course, during the early digital era, this is impossible.) Otherwise, why buy? Remember '89? At this point vinyl sections had shrunk to maybe 1/4-1/5 of the store, yielding to the CD.
> > Several hundred downloads, (with an emphasis on the "downloads") should have EMI shaking in their boots with regard to packaged media.
< <Actually, John, the only thing EMI is "shaking" right now is the champagne.
And please note:-
1. I said "Several hundred THOUSAND downloads";
2. DSOTM DVD-A, is a direct digital port from the master tapes, and was NOT copy-protected;
3. "Beatles Love" IS copy protected. i.e. If anyone gets hold of the raw data from the DVD and tries to copy/burn it, the result WON'T play on any DVD-A player. i.e. The codes would not match and the player would just lock-up after a couple of seconds.So, again, John, you display your ignorance.
> > What I'm looking for is the moment of "critical mass < <
John, don't flatter yourself: Nobody really cares what you think. Certainly not the record companies.
Martin,If You didn't care, you wouldn't respond to his posts. Your defensive posture on nearly every post of this thread makes you sound like ZS KEKL with better command of the language, but with just as foolish an obsession with a single format as him (her?).
This forum has been completely highjacked by this "Love" release.
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The two(?) of you seem intent on arguing about formats in a general sense when I would guess a vast majority of both posters and lurkers on the Forum are uninterested. For that group, in which I place myself, what is more valiable is the discussion of: what's already available and good, or ok, or should be skipped; what's comming out (something KEKL almost does well); hardware issues.You have to admit that KEKL's loony rants represent about 33% of the activity on this board (hence the numbers of posts TO him or ABOUT him) and you represent another 10%. Nearly all of those (on this "page" at least) are about the "Love" recording.
Again, I pose that this forum has been hijacked.
and I pose that you are more concerned about personalities than DVDA titles, technical issues or market trends. I have merely been separating fact from fiction.
If I was interested in personalities, I'd be a long way from the likes of you and Mssr. KEKL. My system(s) are listed, and from that list one can deduce "format preferences," if indeed I have one (here's some help for you: one of my digital sources plays SACD, and two of my digital sources play DVD-A).In your efforts to "separate fact from fiction," you have missed the forest for a lone tree (as we're writing in cliche). You don't have to hard-sell a format to those who have already bought in...
You may have the last word, Martin: there's not much of interest here for me.
Cheers, and enjoy some music;)
I'm not some lurking troll, and please don't associate me with KEKL or anyone else. As for my system, I'm not hiding anything, and I'm not ashamed of any equipment I own. If you'd asked me what it was I'd have told you. Anyway, if you had done a simple search, you'd have found it described here on this forum's archive.And yes, it plays SACD, DVDA, and everything else! OK, I'll make it easy for you. You can view some pics of it at top of p13 on Club Rotel. You can see I have quite a lot of hirez music (photo taken 2 years ago, and now I've got about 60 more DVDAs & SACDs). Unlike some vociferous posters here who have none whatsoever. ;-)
nice car!!
I'll break my own rule because you have missed the mark here by quite a bit. I really think you misunderstood my post: "tit-for-tat" wasn't even on the radar. It was you, if you'll recall, who questioned whether I was interested in hi-rez. If YOU had bothered to do the same type of search (actually, easier) that you accused me of being unable to do for you, you too would have found information that contradicts your earlier assessment.I am certainly willing to concede that you are a more serious forum participant than Mssr. KEKL could ever be, but that doesn't excuse you from over-the-top preaching to the already-converted. I certainly didn't accuse you of trolling, nor did I imply that you should be embarrassed by whatever equipment you may own. You are projecting if you think I did.
Again, cheers, and enjoy some music.
nt
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... and he never fails to meet or exceed my expectations. He really is quite funny ... and he is a fellow Canadian ... although I guess that doesn't say much for the level of intellect in our country.
A Canadian psychologist has discoved something very unsettling about Canadian teens....http://www.physorg.com/news64807495.html
Nope, just the original Hi-Rez format.
The music industry doesn't care what I think? I'm an increasingly rare dinosaur of a consumer armed and ready to spend quite a substantial amount of money on a high-end digital player of some sort, and the software to go with it. If they ever get their act together.And yes, I understand, "several HUNDRED thousand downloads." Anyone in the music industry whose future pay is tied up in packaged media better be shaking in their boots. I know bean counters Martin.
Man, I haven't gotten a Brit this mad since I dared say that Sir Simon Rattle wasn't that great an artist.
> > . . . armed and ready to spend quite a substantial amount of money on a high-end digital player of some sort < <You've been trotting out that line ever since you started trolling here.
> > And yes, I understand, "several HUNDRED thousand downloads." Anyone in the music industry whose future pay is tied up in packaged media better be shaking in their boots. I know bean counters Martin. < <
Download-music *sales* is a growing opportunity. So is DVD 5.1 surround for domestic 5.1 audio systems. They are completely different markets.
It's CD that's dying.
You're obviously an underage punk who seemingly thinks this is a replacement for a full-fledged release on hi-rez of the whole Beatles catalog.
... we're waiting ... YAWN ...
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