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In Reply to: Re: Lynx and RME cards. posted by Presto on April 17, 2007 at 13:35:34:
Do you know any that are "higher end" than these?They don't seem to have specs that better the E-MU 1820M at a quarter the price (but unfortunately recently discontinued)
I wouldn't mind "upgrading" from my 1820M but can't find anything better. And various people I've spoken to who have compared the 1820M next to the RME and Lynx say they don't sound any better. In fact, I know a few people who "downgraded" to the 1820M because they say it sounds better.
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There is only one place to go to beat Lynx, RME, Apogee and the like: DCS professional products.DCS 954 (192kHz) $3500 GBP ($7000 USD) per channel pair, or $28,000 for 8 channels
DCS 955 (384kHz)$3800 GPP ($7600 USD) per channel pair, or $30,400 for 8 channels.
This is assuming you can use one clock and slave the other three.
Expensive enough for you? :o)
Just remember: At this level of product (Lynx 2B and higher) I don't think DAC specs alone are going to tell you who the 'clear winner' is. We're into board layout, analog output stage design, components chosen, power supply methods, quality... I think looking at DAC specs alone might be a bit misleading. It's not just a numbers game - I can live with 2db more noise and 2db less DR - if the thing makes beautiful music. Trouble is trying to get a demo of professional products, especially in a triamp setup where you would need to spend considerable time with the unit.
When I win the lottery I will try every product on the list and tell you which one I like the best. I will even sell the runners up for half price on audiogon!
3 8 12 32 35 40.... no, that's not it.
5 19 27 29 34 42.... no, that's not it.Hmmmmm... back to my Creative X-fi.
If DCS sounds as good as it gets for $28,000, then that little X-fi is a miracle of value at $125! ;) (And a Lynx 2B just might be the best value on the planet...)
Lynx AES16 + Lynx Aurora8 in synchronous mode for($2900)? or...
Lynx 2B ($1100) and spend the difference elsewhere?Dawnrazor might say go with the 2B and spend the rest on software.
Christine: ability to slave the AES16 to the Auroa8 DAC for a cool $1800 more? (Not to mention DAC is away from PC, and not powered by PC supply, and DAC circuits probably have more generous layout...)
I spend hundreds of manhours working on my digital stuff (room correction, crossover development, etc.) $1800 is 18 hours at $100 an hour... hmmmm.. since I put it that way...
My current amp I am using for 6 channel probably can't RESOLVE the difference between the 2B and the AES18/Aurora8! (Probably does not even justify the 2B!:o)
So I would need get three super resolving matching stereo amps!! My girlfriend is gonna leave me yet...
Tuckers has the Lynx AES 16 and the Aurora. Ask him about it.
Thanks. Have heard the DCS, don't really like it. Prefer the Meitner, but can't afford it (and also suspect Meitner may not be the last word for PCM). Also, daisy chaining clock sync is NOT a good idea. Some studios do it, but it introduces too much jitter.I never said that you should look at specs alone, but there's no point spending a lot more money when the specs are not as good AND it doesn't sound superior (based on people who have compared them). THAT was the point I was trying to make.
It *should* be possible with today's technology to produce a multi-channel DAC that provides > 125dB THD and dynamic range. Very difficult, but not impossible. My 1820M measures just under 120dB, so we're talking about something with half the noise floor. And it should be possible to do it for not much more than what the 1820M cost.
Problem is, I haven't seen one yet. The ones you listed are mainly using older DAC chips, which is why the specs are not very impressive. If you are going to spend that kind of money, why buy obsolete non state of the art technology?
*** So I would need get three super resolving matching stereo amps ***
That's what I have at the moment. I have FOUR identical Musical Fidelity A5 dual mono power amps (each rated at over 250 watts/ch). And believe me, they are pretty resolving! I need a dedicated 20 amp power circuit just to feed power into them.
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