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In Reply to: Hypocritical bs. You're "nabob" drive by nt is ok, my response ain't? posted by Rick W on March 16, 2007 at 14:35:43:
I gave you a perfect opportunity for a substantive discussion ... you review my updated equipment list and tell me what conclusions can reasonably be drawn, because this is YOUR assertion. In other words, put up or shut up.Given that genuine opportunity, you retreated into "Spiro" insults and a snotty statement that you have no obligation to do anything, and my status as an unpaid reviewer (more snotty points).
So be it, but this bait and retreat makes you just another pot stirring cretin with a personality disorder and the net is full to overflowing with them.
You want an adult discussion ... a stand up fight? Then good for you. You want to go toe to toe, believe me ... I will enage in any reasonable discourse.
I will state this for the record. I don't believe anything useful can be discerned from the loan/own status of a piece of equipment in a reviewer's system.
Take the challenge, otherwise you are just another whiner.
Follow Ups:
"Now, you get to do something to show if you are just another nattering nabob, or if you are serious about your point."That was you in reply to a post of mine which contained no demands, no name calling. What'd you expect in response, a verbal rose with a thankyou note? Think spending time attempting to prove to the great Dr. S that I'm not a "nattering nabob" is a high priority for me?! You're so full of self-importance that you are still making demands as if you are the arbiter of truth/sense/logic, and failing to convince you is proof of idiocy and cretinism. Put up or shutup? Wedge it where the sun don't shine.
No, I didn't post my original suggestion -- which your editor obviously thought had merit and quickly implimented at PF in an even simpler form -- to get into "a stand up fight". The reasons why I think differentiation of owned/loan is helpful were explained in the link and in several other posts.
Loaners? Actually I'd be happy to just see a list of the equipment a reviewer chose to purchase. I'd just assume anything/everything else mentioned in a review was a loaner. I didn't ask for any detailed explanations for the buying choices a reviewer makes, though that'd be informative. If I don't already know, from continued reading of a reviewer hopefully I'll get some idea of things like: what dimensions the reviewer's room has & what's in it; taste in music; listening volume preference; preferences regarding soundstaging, frequency extremes etc. Do you think concepts that may have entered your buying decisions like -- "I need varied equipment to provide synergistic couplings with varied DUR's", "Reviewers need neutral components/spkrs. to properly assess DUR's" -- are beyond the grasp of your readers?
Some reviewers -- and I'm now thinking you may be one of them -- seem to think their idea of "accurate", "neutral", "overly lush", "transient speed", "bloated", "bloom" etc. are universal definitions. The reality is that readers have to get to know a reviewer's perception as it relates to their own, then translate the review. Knowing what a reviewer spent their own $$ on is one of several clues which can aid the translation.
There is nothing else I have to say that'll change your mind. Somehow I'll muddle through life knowing I may not have successfully proved to you that your lame-ass Agnewesque and CJ-ian insults were unwarranted. The last word is all yours.
NT
What the heck is wrong with you guys?? This is a hobby that's fun. How about trying to keep civility intact when debating about it?Rick, here's a quote from one of your early posts, quite a bit higher up from Dr.S's "nabob" comment. Have a read. What kind of tone do you think that puts on a reasonable differing of opinion...
"Do you really think your readers are such morons that they're incapable of understanding your "complicated" purchasing choices?
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