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In Reply to: Sam Tellig - Stereophile February 2007 posted by bjh on February 14, 2007 at 07:45:26:
his GOAL is to continue to fan the flames of complaints against him for continually writing about MF. The more folks complain about him writing about MF, the more he's going to continue to do it. MF also continually sends every single new product that they make to Sam, - immediately.
Whether or not you think MF makes high order junk, the greatest thing since sliced bread, or somewhere in between: be assured that Sam Tellig will continue to write about MF on a regular basis. This is not going to stop. And the more complaints that are posed, rest assured, there will be more time and space devoted to MF in his columns.
ST is certainly proof positive that Stereophile writers write what they want to write about.
Watching the reel as it comes to a close,
Brutally taking it's time,
People who change for no reason at all,
It's happening all of the time.
Follow Ups:
some commonsense. if one really wants to influence ST re MF, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE post about it. Essentially, as Sordidman writes, the more posts, the more reinforcement for ST to continue on. You want to extinguish ST's behavior over time, IGNORE HIM.Admittedly, such restraint is hard to initiate,nevertheles maintain, but, barring the intervention of the editor or divine intervention -maybe one and the same- ignore, ignore, ignore.
You post emails of outrage and you reinforce the behavior. Simple behavior theory.
Another pov: Posters exist in a dynamic relationship re Stereophile, ST and MF: he writes and readers get to feel self righteous indignation and in response once morepost to the forcums, then MF, reinforced by the attention he is getting (or is it MF getting the attention? nah, both are reinforced)maintains his behavior, which elicits more reader response. Under this analysis everyone gets what they want. Very sweet. No losers.
You really give a good goddamn about the Stereophile/ST/MH nexus and wwant it to lose steam? Ignore it. Simple.
Some of its great stuff but with all this MF BS online stuffs just not cool to own, when my audio buds see MF gear at my home many roll their eyes and whisper;)If sam loves it fine but if he just reviews it to piss folks off dont see how this is good for MF sales.PS my good friends a MF dealer I outed him hope he doesnt find out.
If the gear sounds "good", then it is "good". as to audio gear being "uncool", being cool is a way of life, it has nothing to do with material possessions: "there is more to being cool than meets the eye". once material possessions take on human attributes, then we are all in deep shit.my pov is that the more a certain brand is mentioned - whether it pisses people off or not - the more that the brand name enters readers consciousness - it thereby distinguishes itself from the countless brands of gear with which it competes. the worst thing for a brand is dead silence, or a bit of mention here and there. if some people are pissed off, so be it, that's part of doing business, but there will be a lot more people who will remember the brand and decide to give it a listen based on ST's writing about it so often.As in: "this whole ST and MF shit drives me wild, but, since we are looking for a _____, let's give MF a whirl."
As i said in my first post, ignoring noxious behavior is usually the best way to extinguish it. If that doesnt work, well, we can always administer electric shock to ST every time he uses that brand name. of course, JA will have to cooperate; no chance of that. oh well. ignore ignore ignore.
where does it all go after Sam? b stock?
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Watching the reel as it comes to a close,
Brutally taking it's time,
People who change for no reason at all,
It's happening all of the time.
Proof by assertion is no proof at all. But there can be no doubt that Stereophile editor John Atkinson is pleased to have one of his writers tout the products of Brit pal and recording collaborator Musical Fidelity's Antony Michaelson.
"Whether you like or dislike something in Stereophile, please be
assured that it is there because _I_ want it there.John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile"
> there can be no doubt that Stereophile editor John Atkinson is pleased
> to have one of his writers tout the products of Brit pal and recording
> collaborator Musical Fidelity's Antony Michaelson.
I was going to politely suggest you put down your crack pipe, "Jay,"
but then I remembered that Art Dudley is writing about a Musical
Fidelity product in the March issue, about to hit newsstands and
maiboxes this week. :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Well, "John," it's reassuring to hear that you didn't coerce your writers to promote Musical Fidelity for the umpteenth time, and that they just happened to choose Musical Fidelity independent of their editor's longstanding relationship with Antony Michaelson :-)
> Well, "John,"...
No need for quotes, I post under my real name.
> it's reassuring to hear that you didn't coerce your writers to promote
> Musical Fidelity for the umpteenth time, and that they just happened
> to choose Musical Fidelity independent of their editor's longstanding
> relationship with Antony Michaelson :-)
Guess you missed my mocking of you, "Jay." You'll get the joke when you
see the March issue of Stereophile. And if you don't read Stereophile,
why does what happens at the magazine get your panties in such a wad?
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
> > No need for quotes, I post under my real name. < <
Well, "John," I too post under my real name. If you have a problem with the Asylum's registration and posting rules, then perhaps you should take the matter up with the Bored.> > Guess you missed my mocking of you, "Jay." < <
Ya got me there, "John." I read only your words above. March issue of Stereophile has not arrived.
To me it seems more indicative of JA's loyalty to the old guard, ironic really since were there to be a shakup I personally wouldn't mind seeing him (JA) go.I sense that JA is bored with the task and would likely be pleased to find someone capable of assuming the reins; and he can only blame himself for making that no faint task. Besides, were he to concentrate more exclusively on recording that would also be a good thing IMHO.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
I don't know of anyone out there who can do all that he does with reviews, measurements as part of reviews, shows, recordings and much more. Does anyone realize how much time it all takes? Surely he is not keeping bankers' hours. He could have walked away from it all a few years back, but no. He stayed on to try to make Stereophile much better (within constraints) and answer wackos like us on AA.
When Audio magazine made Cory Greenberg the editor, I said it's all over. I few months later, I was right. Good for Cory. He was an amusing commentator and now he has parlayed a barrel full of crap into big dollars.
> I sense that JA is bored with the task and would likely be pleased
> to find someone capable of assuming the reins...
Nope. That must be good stuff you're smoking, bjh.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
John do you suppose there exists anyone so green as to believe you'd have responsed differently even were it the actualy case that you're suppressing an nearly irrepressible urge to smash to little bits your test equipment and hang up your reviewing pen?Hence I'm going with wait and see ... and yes, I know, your next post will be to say I'll be waiting a long time!
LOL
> your next post will be to say I'll be waiting a long time!
Exactly so. At least your crystal ball is working 50% of the time.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
I was waiting for that!
Still laughing.
I think that JA thinks that he has an obligation to the industry. And, - FWIW, - I think that Sphile is an important voice, and one of the very few left. It is high value, even though there are things that I would not do, and not want to see happen if I was the holder of the reins. With high end audio, it is such a varied and unique art form that very few, if any, other hobbyist publications can/could stay afloat with so much disparity of opinion and tastes. Even in an art publication like "Photography Today," - there's so much more "good" or "bad" that can be attached to a camera than an amplifier. This is why Stereophile will never really cater to it's readers, - and why those readers will always be biting its ass. All the vitriol, accusations of "payola," and "why don't you write about what I think is good;" - are completely inescapable and will be a part of Stereophile for as long as it exists. In short, - no matter what is written, Stereophile can NEVER win. Even if Stereophile did something like create a rule that it would only ever discuss $2,000 + Tube amps and horn speakers and only CDPs as sources, - it still would be overwhelmed with too much content to ever fully cover 1/100 of the industry and still be subjected to "why don't you talk about my amp?"
Of course, all of this has been said before. And, it all will be said again. We all keep fighting the same fights, over and over. Next week, they'll be another post here from some newbie wanker who accuses John of taking advertizing "payola" from MF....
Watching the reel as it comes to a close,
Brutally taking it's time,
People who change for no reason at all,
It's happening all of the time.
but it is frustrating, with all of the components out there, that so much attention is lavished on one manufacturer.I refuse to believe that there are not other, "undercovered" manufacturers who make good-sounding stuff and who would be happy to supply a unit for review -- even though I recognize that there is bad-sounding stuff out there (I agree: who wants to spend the time explaining in 1500 words why a bad-sounding product is bad?) and I recognize that some manufacturers, for all kinds of reasons good and bad, don't want to participate in the review process.
And I say that without with intending or implying or anything else that there is some illicit, improper, or under the table goings-on between Stereophile, "Sam Tellig" or JA and MF that results in this particular focus.
It is, in the end, an editorial decision, but one that this reader would like to see changed.
I agree. I enjoy ST perspective on things but I have zero interest in MF gear. There is so much interesting gear in existence why spend 50% of your time on MF gear? I really like my favorite Tai dish "Pad see ew with chicken" but I don't eat it 4 days a week.
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